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At 200km/p that "thing" will start to disintegrate, but untill it reaches that speed it could be fun.
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it looks nice, but engine will be too heavy on front, those american cars re cheaper then european ones, this seems interesting
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wow my topic really took off ;)
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How is the current CTS-V selling in the US? Prices seem low if you look at eBay....
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They sell every single one.
Prices are low because Lincoln and Cadillac while luxury cars, are super mass produced and traditionally have very poor value retention and thus resale value. A new Lincoln Towncar is $50K or more new, but you can buy a 12 month old lease turn-in vehicle for about $24,000. |
Sounds like a drama with you drop $25k in one year...
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Rental fleets, company fleets, government fleets - millions of cars sold/leased etc - so the "used" value of a car is nothing... because there are so many - prices reflect what it takes to move the used cars at auction. So the $50K sticker of a towncar limo for a limo service is nothing - as they just pay a 12 or 18 month lease rate, and forgo the residual value buy-back to turn the car back to the dealer/distributor/lease company etc and trade in for a new one. Again, the result is a glut of good condition low mileage used cars that have already made some money for the finance house, now it's the turn of the wholesaler to make some money off the car, sells it to a dealer who inturn sells it back into the market place - and so on and so forth. |
OK, but when you are a private party and want to buy a new CTS-V, you're fucked if you want to sell it relatively soon :?:
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This is true for all regular production autos (or any consumer product in the US)
Coming from South Africa, where car prices rose rapidly each year after 1988 - where a Golf GTi used to cost about R8,000 new in 1984, to costing over R100,000 in the late 1990's - I was used to a market where the value of used vehicles was held up by the escalating cost of new vehicles. Where it was not unheard of for a 5 year old car to sell on the used market for higher than the original price when new. But coming to the US where the economy of scale is mind boggling --- the dealers in the city of Houston probably sell more new cars a year than many counrties do (and I am not talking about poverty stricken countries with 3 roads and a self-proclaimed Dictator President for Life either... ;)) You see the prices of new cars creeping up maybe $100 or $200 a year... maybe.. in fact, many times the newest latest model comes out at a LOWER price than the outgoing model. This was true for the C5 Coupe and the C6 Coupe. New prices for those 2 cars were a couple hundred dollars less than the last model out going car. Imagine that logic and economy of scale and markket mindset being applied to Corollas, Civic, Malibus, Camry's etc etc etc. You end up with literally millions of used cars that have little to no residual value. Add to this the new car rebate and discount incentives, 0% financing incentives etc etc etc - and you see why the car is just another commodity in the US and the profit is in the amount of turnover you can generate, not always in the "profit per unit" -- like WalMart yeah? ;) Only a few % profit, but apply that to nearly a billion dollars in turnover revenue per day you see a large dollar amount. Now this does not always mean the best for the manufacturer, because all the while they are stuck with rising health care and pension costs etc. Any way... the point is that used cars are dirt cheap in the USA... and even someone working as a shelf packer in WalMart can get a half decent used car for $5,000 and pay it off over 3 years ;) |
found a new car today
and it didn't sound turbocharged; or like a 4 banger... i'm not affluent in GM v6 engines; but that is almost cirtainly what i saw today... a Pontiac Solstice V6... i'll post some pictures later. 8)
it appeared to handle well, and have liniar accelleration; but not a lot in the noise department as he passed me. |
i will agree that the current cts is lacking on some build quality, but overall is a great car, cant wait for the super V, the regular CTS-V has one of the sickess sounding engines ever. and the next gen CTS is gonna blow everything away inside and out IMHO. :D
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that old sound great, sure for buying used, im these days daily in carlots and here is situation different,
used Focus with basic price 12 K euro as new after 5 years old average condition still 6-7 K 6-7 years old 5-6 K |
http://nthimage.com/spy_shots/spy_shots_rules.htm
photos are in there, the only Solstice... a few others are interesting :) |
hmmmmm thats a little weird. i thought it was already released? or did it have a smaller engine?
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interesting!
More power is always good. It seems like GM is competing with themselves, possibly the solstice with more power and the sky redline coming soon. |
General Motors News
you guessed it. Post all General Motors news in here
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http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...=2006608060568
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if there is anything that Rick has learned is "never play second fiddle 5 years after the japanese for the boring car market" there is nothing in that article that supports this auther's opening statement; what a bunch of BS |
Getting back on the Camaro news, I saw on Fox News that GM will be officially announcing Camaro production this Thursday (8-10) .
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it was announced today. It is now official. They updated the chevy performance website.
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300 hp Solstice GXP coming, likely as a 2008 model, in turbocharged form News: rumored "v6 corvette" false News: Supercharged LS9 "blue devil"... who said it will only cost $100,000 USD? GM is 100% commited to making this car a mechanical and engineering success; including use of new and more exotic materials. 650hp... it may be significantly more. suspension is obviously different, I am unsure of what kind of final body changes will be at this point, as I only have 'access' to GM Powertrain ATM |
next CTS to be unvieled at NAIAS in January 2007
there are 3 variants of the CTS under way at GM's Caddilac devision 4 door sedan 2 door coupe and something else I see potential for the V being either 4 door or 2 door; but I don't know yet Journalist' responces to the 2 door are overwhelming approval, behind closed doors until january, of course ;) |
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HOLY CRAP!!!
New CTS-V with 600+ supercharged horses, lapping NS in 7's .... much faster then all anticipations... 7:40's maybe :P according to the source, who drives the competition at NS "Ieeet came upon me az eef I vas standing still!" |
^^ Sounds good, lol at the source! :lol:
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New development
CTS-V isn't supercharged... just the impresson of that previously mentioned test driver It in fact is far more exotic Pushrod 5 valve heads with over 500 HP, not 600. Yes, you read that right, pushrod 5 valve heads! WTF! ? :-D |
Corvette SS
pricing $115,000 - $125,000 availability Lotto style to dealers Expected open market price In excess of $225,000 power 650 HP Weight 2800 lbs Body Carbon Fibre Seats Lightweight buckets Chassis Widened both up front and in the rear Tires 315mm up front, 355 rear ? Brakes In the air.... the red prototype has Carbon Ceramic brakes, while the blue prototype has traditional brakes. The cost cutters are currently winning this battle, doubtful at this time that Carbon brakes will even be optional Modified ratios in the transmission Known issues Torque twisting the roof's off still Rear diff isn't made for hard launches NS Lap time Expected 7:25 or better |
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The one above has 423hp I think
0-60 in 4.3 and 190mph capable which makes it about as fast as a 360 modena. So, I'd assume the blue devil will be very well off. at 650hp (A GM exec said between 600 and 700. I think it was Wagner) and all |
If the new Vette SS has a curb weight of 2800lbs, it may just be one of the most sought after cars of the decade.
This would really look good for GM.....although i wished they went the N/A way, because now everybody is going to give the ole' FI excuse. "If Ferrari's were FI then the Z06 SS wouldnt stand a chance..." :roll: |
2800 lbs!! That's quite some impressive weight saving.....
I would still prefer the LS-7 block tho. Rear diff isn't made for hard launches? The diff itself or the linkages? If the NS time is real and based on street tires, I really think it will put other super cars to shame. |
Spyshots of the 'super Corvette/ Red Devil' whatever it will be called from... Winding Road :roll: I'm not sure if this is credible but here anyway
http://news.windingroad.com/body-sty...tte-spy-shots/ |
wow...i was wondering when the Vette was going to end up breaking the 6 figure mark.
However, 2800lbs, vs 600 ponies........hmmm.....I like where this is goin. giggidy giggidy giggidy!! |
I am thinking 2800lbs is very optomistic - even the CGT at $500,000 and no limit R&D couldn't do it ;)
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yeah, but the Porker needed to beef up because of the lack of actual C pillar or roof.
The vette might be able to pull off something close. Maybe 3100-3500. All depends on the unsprung weight, and whatever they are using as a frame. I don't think 2800 is a bad figure to aim for. |
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one for the personal, one for the maka-da-money-back. I'm just a conduit for this 2800 lbs. of information :P |
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The C6 Z06 suffers from a huge amount of heavy glass, extra comfort crap and wider heavier wheels and brakes - and even with carbon fibre bits and an aluminium frame was only able to get back down to 3100lbs. Race Corvettes get all their weight saving from removing a lot of weight - gutting, cutting, removing and exotifying the materials used. Hell, even the lightest turbo or super charger setup weighs 100lbs. so youwin some and lose some. The construciotn would have to go Saleen like to get to some crazy low weight ;) |
oof. I didn't even think about the glass. That wrap around rear window must kill it :?
too bad lexan isn't allowed for street use. How you think they could save be trimming out .25 inches of upholstery? the carpet in that thing has to weigh quite a bit. Mainly from the padding i'm sure they doubled up on for sound deadening. Have the LSx blocks gone to AluSil yet, or are they still just aluminum? might save some weight there... If they're at 3100 now, how hard can another 300 be? :bah: |
Looking forward to a confirmation of the 7.25 lap time on the CTS-V with street legal tires. If Sport Auto confirms this time on a production specimen, then GM really does know how to build a performance saloon.
Undercutting an M5 by half a minute is pretty amazing, you could enter this car on street tires and be competitive at the Nurburgring 24h. Who needs Oreca Vipers and C6Rs when you can run as fast with aircon and satnav? :lol: |
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Cadillac are making a A8 L, Merc S klass, BMW 750 iL competitor, and making a brand new V12 engine, the Engine is basically a pair of caddy v6's (DOHC) together, with a new crank (of course) and being a 600+ hp beast in top-of-the range form :)
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More on the CTS-V from Autoblog:
The new issue of Motor Trend arrived in the mail and our eyes were instantly attracted to this story that just went live on motortrend.com. The MT crew has learned that the supercharged V8 slated for use in the next-gen Cadillac CTS-V will be none other than a "detuned" version of the 7.0L LS7 powerplant debuting in the Corvette Blue Devil, or rather, Corvette Z07. The MT editors expect the version used in the CTS-V to produce about 600 horsepower, or around 100 horses short of what the Z07 will produce. Pick any possible competitor for the next CTS-V and it's obvious that all will come up short to Caddy's new mega muscle sedan. The BMW M3 and Audi RS4 both produce only 420 horsepower, while the horsepower happy AMG team stuffed only 503 in the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. Even the BMW M5, which is larger than the CTS, will come up short with an upcoming horsepower bump into the low-500 horsepower range. In short, the CTS-V will offer the same amount of horsepower as the 2008 Dodge Viper, which is pure insanity. GM's got stones, folks, and Cadillac is clearly the prime beneficiary of its newfound fortitude. Much thanks to Motor Trend editor-in-chief Angus Mackenzie for allowing Autoblog to republish the rendering above. The July issue (you can subscribe here) is thicker than a Thesaurus and our fave in a string of recent good issues from the MT team. Source and rendered image: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/04/m...-devil-engine/ |
Can we confirm the info above? MT does a lot of hit or miss stuff when it comes to scoops.
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the CTS-V that will be coming out as previously mentioned is a 5 valve headpushrod V8 making roughly 510 hp... and MT's staff are kinda off thier kilter for names... maybe because they are way out on the left coast, far from the automotive circles of Detroit. Supercharged corvette = blue devil = Corvette SS [ not Z07 as previously mentioned by MT, and I am not very sure that the LS9 in the SS is going to be "detuned" and put in the next CTS-V... i'm pretty sure it's an all new motor from Caddy. Engine = LS9, few details known beyond that its roughly 647 hp, 2800 lbs, wider up front/rear, carbon fibre body, wider tires front and rear, and potentially carbon brakes. |
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