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Remember. st-anger posted this with hoourable intentions of shaing the magazine test results. The C6 Coupe is no more Z06 and the the Carrera S is a 911 Turbo or a GT2 or GT3. :) |
You should just stop using the word "Vette" and switch to "Z06" :wink: Will save you some trouble.
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Same way you will hear a ZR1 owner correct some one calling their car a Corvette... heheh uhm no - it's a ZR1. |
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i still have some hope. ;) |
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When kick their arse from here to next week they list the ricer excuses - including th "Yeah but it's just a Chevy" one. :) Oh well - who truley gives a shit -I have a daily balst in my car. Nuff said :P |
well, after having a subscription to motor trend for several years; i've yet to be more then disapointed with any head-to-head tests they've had...
dont forget, taht they also had (a great car, but not really COY material) the new T-bird as car of the year as well... even knowing a major defect, and not printing anything about it also, they for some reason had a beetle cab. vs. a T-bird in winter driving comparison :roll: :roll: :?: |
ok so RC45, just educating myself by the pic you posted on previous page...the base 996 carrera (1st model series with 3.4 engine) did a 'Ring lap of 8:18 minutes, and the base C5 did 8:40, wit the anniversary doing 8:18...so base carrera vs anniversary (i dont know what that car's specs are) are sort of even.
997 Carrera S (so not totally basic) does 'Ring in 8:05, C6 does it in 8:15..hard to tell, i dont know the performance difference between std and S 997. based on the pictues i've seen i'd say the porsche interior looks more luxurious, but ive never been in either car. just 1 more comment, you were comparing the Z06 with the Turbo a while back...the Turbo is in no way an all out performance machine like the z06 is, for that you need a GT2...which happened to do a 7:46 'Ring lap... |
damn the Z06 is one bad ass machine. Not only is it 1 second faster in a 1/4 mile alone, but its 35 seconds faster around the ring. I would love to see a video of a C5 Z06 vs C6 Z06 vs C5 vs C6 from a 40 roll. :twisted:
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The Z06 and the 911 TT is the perfect comparison. In fact even the F360CS with it's light weigh doors and other exotic materials and mechanisms needed is far above the Z06's level of sophistication. Trust me, if GM produced a street car based on the race car that was based n the original street car it would so fucking exotic and fast it would blow everything except the FXX clean away. Everyone so conveniently seems to forget that the development path from the 360 to the 360S first spent an entire seaon developing a track-only Challenge car - and that was further developed until the CS appeared. In the mean time, the Corvette C5 spawned a Fixed Roof Coupe for 1999 witha 345hp base engine, this then lasted until 2000 - became a lightened 385bhp 2001 Z06 with wider wheels and sticky tyres - then was refined to culminate in the 405hp same weight Z16 in 2004. All the while a DEDICATED ROAD CAR!!! And this "lowly Chevy" then proceded to kick the living crap out of all comers and equals and betters many task-specific race-cars tunrned street cars. Yet still no credit? |
the GT2 isn't based on a race car either...its a more raw version of the Turbo, not like the GT3 which is more like a race car turned back to a road car. The Turbo is a very very fast sports car with everyday everywhere any weather usability, where the GT2 is a proper monster. I think in spirit the GT2 and Z06 arent that different
and i never said i dont give the corvette credit, im just comparing lap times for spiritually comparable cars here. The corvette is a great car, no doubt about it, just not for me. (also just a little off topic detail, the price difference between a vette and a porsche is much smaller here than in the US) |
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First of you can make a challenge a car from a standart 360M, its as easy as bringing it a Ferrari shop. Its a standart 360M striped of its interior with an MM dash, stripped of one cat, slightly different exhaust. Has stiffer engine mounts and a racing clutch, and has a stiffer set ARBs. No further devolpments were made on the cars. So I dont see were you got that "season developing a track only Challenge car" All a CS is a stiffer 360M with sligthly more power and a stripped out interior...there are no "years of development". |
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The success and essons learned in the race programs of team owners and testing are what constitute the changes made. :) Quote:
All those incrmental changes you mention, are as result of very careful analysis of race results and a myriad options. There is a reason a 360 Challange is a gutted non-street-legal car - and there is a reason why the CS is as spartan and singl;e purpose as it is. You cannot deny this one any way you slice it. :) |
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The Z06 is the "very very fast sports car with everyday everywhere any weather usability" of Corvettes. :) Think of the Lingenfelter Twin Turbo as the GT2 of Vettes... ;) :P - that's a monster ehehe :) Quote:
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360MC is not a race car. Its a stripped out street car with 95% of stock componemts. Its simply a re set car, with stock anti rolls bars set stiffer, not new race componemts. The only race compenets are the clutch and stiffer engine mounts(if you can call that a racing component)
Put the cat back in and an E brake and you have your "street legal" car. Pretty sure you would strugle to get a C5R or a 550GTC to pass as street legal. Its not a race car because it has a stock road going motor in it. It doesnt rev higher nor does it have a different gearbox. Sorry just cause it aint street legal doesnt make it a race car. |
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