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Yes, a track specific suspension would yeild better results, with less weight, but the V is a luxury car still ;) |
Could car less how old the technology is, it still an electronic aid which helps this sedan go fast. And it out it, it would not be able to make such a quick lap time.
See my point? |
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So, if the car set a fast enouhg time to beat the others turned on, then it will be even faster with it turned off. ;) Quote:
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The car will be faster with these shocks removed. Thats why people dont race their cars with this system in place. See my point? ;) |
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the magnetic ride isn't aiding the driver per say... it's aiding the ride comfort ;) |
Of course a race suspension would make it go faster. But this is a road car, built for comfort and performance, just like the GT-R.
And using computer assisted suspensions is to improve both performance and ride comfort. |
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It's not just about what kind of components it uses. The GT-R is based around the thought that electronic gizmos will be the main focus of the car. Its ultimate performance depends on computer programming. (As much as I'd love someone to test this theory, I don't think Nissan or any GT-R owner would like to strip the programming out of the car and test it.) I don't think that was the part of the CTS-V's engineering brief. If anything, the CTS-V mostly relies on the sheer power of the engine and the well sorted chassis. |
dutchmasterflex, mate, you don't seem to understand the difference :mrgreen:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...rRodge/cts.jpg / http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...e/devilGTR.jpg "The Devil Wears Nitrogen Filled Tires" |
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The only high-tech component that really gives the edge to the GT-R is the DSG gearbox. Most performance road cars have computer suspensions, and similar AWD systems have been used for years. It has simply been dubbed the car for the playstation generation because of its extra features on the dashboard computer. I hear ya toffy.. |
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Yes.. I am fully aware there is a market for that, but what Cadi is trying to do is compete with Audi, Benz and BMW for high performance luxury cruisers.
And anyway, people are taking these 'Ring laptimes way to seriously, and manufacturers are taking advantage of that by using it as a marketing scheme. GT-R becomes the fastest production car, CTS-V becoems the fastest 4 door.. it's all bull shit, and you guys are eating it up. To break the 8 minute laptime by 1 second on a 14 mile track with an infinite amount of other variables isn't exactly a tribute to the car. It mostly depends on the driver (I don't think anyone who has driven the 'Ring has completed a lap with out admitting to at least 1 mistake, and if you claim you don't you've got to be kidding yourself, pro or not.) GM is no better than Nissan. They're all corporate car manufactures trying to make a buck. |
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If you took out the magnetic shocks from the CTS-V (or the FE3 Corvette for that matter) and replaced them with stock stiff shocks off the shelf, like Corvette owners do (the FE3/FE4 guys simply put in non-adjustable C6 Z51 or Z06 shocks) the car will still be as quick. That is the point. If you took out the all the electronic power distribution and handling managment from the GT-R, and just left it as a 3900lb top heavy boat with only 480bhp it would not be as fast as it currently is. Period. That is why race GT-R's are lighter, more powerful and RWD - because they are not allowed the electronic wizardry that is needed to hustlte a top heavy 3900lb 480bhp boat ;) BTW, we still havent resolved the issue about where is the GT-R better, long fast or short slow tracks ;) |
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the GTR has every aid known to man; many of which take away from the driving experience... Electronic rear, and center diff No driver involvement DSG dual clutch system No driver involvement launch control - seems to not work well with timing lights according to Tony Swan... as the GTR chooses when to launch no driver involvement stability control no driver involvement ( likely can be turned off, or down like MB cars) "overboost" (speculative... no way will 520 hp + 3800 lbs trap 120 mph) No driver involvement "stacking the deck" so to speak Suspension management?? (unknown, as I don't remember) Dynamics at one with the chassis; driver unaffected, except for a nicer ride when going out on a sunday cruise. meaning.... the car delivers torque, and braking as it sees fit to be at the limit of grip How does this differ from say... a F430 with many of these fancy features 1. Race mode, the car is still a full 1 second faster a lap with them off... How does this differ from the CTS V Suspension management same as GTR Stability control Able to be fully turned off, with driver being able to lap faster around any said track (given the driver is good) |
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