retire april 1st?

bwahahahaha do you really believe it?

why the long face 79? I know I know... but no matter how many temper tantrums he threw, the board still said no to a pontiac trans am revival, I got the inside scoop on that, would have been nice, but i think GM wants to kill off pontiac as a brand, they should drop buick though, I certainly like some pontiacs too

Buick's too big in China to kill. Saturn will be killed before Pontiac. And Pontiac may be reduced to like a two car brand. That's what I've been hearing.

Yeah, Buick China is what has kept GM alive and is what will keep GM alive. Lutz was an erudite man with a realistic outlook, but still championed real cars. Significantly for Holden, he championed the Monaro and Commodore for import as the GTO and G8.

officially, he's out at the end of 2009; but steps down from his position on April 1st. There is a very difficult battle internally at GM; the current leader is clear.

CTS-V is officially dead... what a damn shame

Nnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saturn maybe. But never Pontiac. I'd rather see Pontiac's tombstone next to Oldsmobile than to see it whored out to anyone. But those brands are worthless. That's what they are. Brands. Hummer at least carries an image, but Saturn and Pontiac do not register at all outside North America. They don't have their own technology. Everything Saturn and Pontiac sold is based off some other car in the massive GM empire. It makes for cheaper development, but also drastically lowers the brand value. And identity.

That right there is a damn shame. One of their best achievements kicked to the wayside.

Good job GM.

So all they have left is the Corvette.

For ppl that would buy the Corvette, maybe they want to make their money more sound and buy a 4 door and now they have no other choices but to go German.

There isn't a C6 replacement though. And CTS is still in production. Only few would've opted for a CTS-V anyway. But that massive halo effect now has come crashing down into the abyss.

:crying:

Well, thankfully it seems that models currently in production (or already developed like the Camaro) will at least get to run out their product cycles, so the V's, ZR1's and SS's will keep coming for a couple/few years . . . right?

wow the best high performance sedan out there is being put to sleep...what a damn shame :-(

how many cts-v's have been made so far?

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/19/2...vo-shuttering/

So far as I can tell, the V is not being killed, but it won't be back for the next generation CTS.

http://www.reuters.com/article/reute...5B103S20091202

UAW-Obama placed chief of the board forces Fritz Henderson to "resign" and takes over in interim himself. GM is completely out of private leadership now. Another milestone, and depressing day in Michigan.

http://jalopnik.com/5858683/exclusiv...chevy-corvette

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/ima...acb330303b.jpg

You already know my opinion... ;) hehe

Yeah, but I can't say I agree with you on the C6 ZR1's looks at all. Good from some angles, but it doesn't hit the spot for me. Edge styling on the Cadillac's works; but not on a Vette so well.

I just had a funny thought... how about a split window FRC LMAO!

Yuck.

I'm not convinced...it appears to have lost quite a bit of "Corvette-ness", and is becoming a bit more of a sort of generic super/sports car.

without saying too much; the Corvette engineers put a huge target on Nissan in very specific goals. The GTR, as much as I am not a fan of it, was simply huge to the Corvette guy's at the General. Aerodynamics is a big part of that.

I'm also going to say that Jalopnik's release was no accident. Especially when looking at the Media embargo of the 2013 GT500 specs ending last night at midnight.

And that was stupid.

Corvette shoppers where not cross-shopping to the GT-R, they where and are cross shopping to the Porsche turbo.

Corvette's bread and butter is repeat traditionalist buyers - if they alienate that group the brand will suffer huge sales losses.

Porsche have kept the 911 recipe the same for a reason, it is the recipe that makes money - and no matter what anyone thinks, the moment Corvette as a brand stops making money is the moment it it gone.

Styling the Corvette to look like a 4 seat Nissan does nothing but cause confusion amongs the masses - and the masses are the ones that spend money on the Corvette.

Much like the C4 - and history is showing us that the C4 tried so hard to be the 'Euro Vette' is sort of lost direction for a while.

Hopefully the C7 is not going to be a similar bland car.

When the new guy in town makes a similarly priced car in the same segment that does everything you are supposed to do, but better; it's no surprise. But in general, I agree with you.

There are some things the C7 needs to do better, and one of them is manage airflow over the car/under the car/ and through the engine better, raise the interior quality level, avoid any voiding warranty issues with the forthcoming AT, do away with Transverse leafsprings. While they have worked great, I'd just rep em out :)

Why make any of those changes?

None of them will net more sales or make the car perform any better in a day to day world - which is where most Corvettes live.

The reason the Corvette has been the single longest survivng performance car model in the history of the automotive world is because changes where not simply made for the sake of chanes.

The GT-R took no sales from Corvette, they coul dbarely meet internal sales quotas.

Changing the formula will dilute the Corvette brand and harm sales and profits.

:)

K.I.S.S.

The Jalop's are are stretching the truth, and knew it ;)
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...r/8517f69a.jpg

C7? No, more like Carvaggio

:)

However, the best way to earn more profit, which is what we are all in it for... right? The best way is to enter new markets without sacrificing the old markets. IE worldwide sales. Ford is learning this. GM tried to do it with it's failing brands via badge engineering, and failed.