McLaren F1
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subzero, the best car ever made, period.
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The ultimate.
It would defintely thrash a Veyron around the TG track. I reckon the Veyron will do a 1.30 |
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So why no TG lap?
They let JC drive it from italy to London but not on the track. Because they know it can't win. Too much weight. a fiver says it won't top the ZondaF |
^ pff.. (and i also dont think that if one car is cool, 15 years later.. makes anther less cool..)
Subzero... no other car have\will age as good as the F1.. |
Well, I know it should be subzero because it was a class leader basically forever, because it's quick it has the steering wheel in the center, three seats, golden plated engine bay and so on.. and yet, it doesn't really have "that" sparkle IMO, so I gave it jsut a cool
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What a supercar should be - light, powerful, uncompromised, hard to handle without talent and not for pretenders.
Not quite an F40, but similar philosophy. |
subzero, anycar that holds the world record for so long deserves it.
Not to mention the coolness of sitting in the middle. |
Sub zero!
It was May 11, 1994 when I picked up the Autocar & Motor magazine which had the Macca on the cover. Prior to this I had seen spy shots of the car and wasn't really interested in it (I dont really care about spy shots in general). It was 15 pages of fantastic writing that made me an instant fan of the car. It was a car that was very unlike anything else around at the time - painstakingly built to the unique vision of a brilliant designer (Gordon Murray) who had cut his teeth with building World championship winning F1 cars at Brabham and McLaren. Seeing the Top Gear clip of Tiff driving the F1 was icing on the cake. I must have seen that clip at least 50 times. What a sound - the best sounding engine in the world - bar none. It is the best car in the world to me. I am sure the F1 will be gracing the lawns of Pebble Beach 25 years from now. Sub-zero. |
sub zero!!
the best car ever made :D wonderful definitely fantastic... |
Subbbbbbbbbbbb Zeroooooooooooo, a car that made me realize that supercars where getting to a new level when I was only a child....
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Subzero for the F1 of course. King of 2 decades. |
Subzero, it makes me dream since 1992 when it was unveiled at Monaco :love:
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when the avg. person thinks super car there are four that come in to mind. McLaren F1, Ferrari F40, Bugatti Veyron, and Lamborghini Diablo. And pretty much in that order. McLaren has and is still a benchmark. everyone compares to the F1 even if it the other car beats it. everything comes back to the F1. so dif. subzero
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Sub-zero 8) No question about it, the greatest car ever made.
A side note, didn't we already have a McLaren "cool-wall" topic...? Was that for the LM? A cool topic on the F1, with Flemke providing some interesting information. :arrow: click Quote:
There you go again, on about how there's some plot to keep McLaren owners from driving their cars. Why and how would they do that? How is a company in England going to control how much millionaire & billionaire owners who live all over the world drive their own car? Quote:
What does that prove at all? By your logic, him being involved in McLaren would make him stupid/bad engineer/uninspered/moron which would mean if he ran Bugatti, Bugatti must suck just as much as McLaren does, right? As a follow up to your claim that McLaren limits the amount of driving...didin't Dscher drive his McLaren to work daily, 200km each way? That doesn't sound like much limiting to me... |
why is everybody voting sub zero ??
this is the uncoolest car EVER !!! |
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McLaren F1's actually have some of the highes mileages of any supercars out there, and having seen a vid of an F1 on the 'Ring i highly doubt McLaren would somehow keep owners from driving on circuits...
There's definitely been a F1 LM topic on the cool wall, no doubt about it. and the sound of the car, as heard in the final seconds of that top gear episode which was already mentioned...AW MY GOD it gives me SUCH goosebumps, its incredible :D |
what a piece of turd pile that happens to have a brilliant engine on board; pitty the chassis wasn't as good
seriously uncool :wink: |
^^^Are you ever going to back up your claim to McLaren limiting how much you can drive the F1?
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The steering wheel is in the center of the car, it looks great, 242mph, gold engine bay.
Its subzero you silly naysayers :x :P |
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It was published long ago in one publication... but as the first costomers were taking deliveries, Insurance companies wouldn't insure them. so Vector Aeromotive changed their "top speed" estimation to "200+" the media took that as a sign that the W8 couldn't actually meet its goals.... which are completely untrue. the car reaches a top speed of 242 mph @ 8200 rpm, rev limited... so Jerry's claim that the car could go 250 mph isn't so outlandish. |
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94? mabey 95? when it came out, top speed was not its advertising slogan. in fact, no F1 in "stock" form can go more then 231 mph, but 241 is possible if the rpm limiter is removed. by the time the Macca was being called the fastest @ 231/241 mph; there were already a slew of other 200+ mph cars... but the Vector was the first street production car past 210 mph ;) as to what happened to them, Tommy Lasurta (megatech) happened... and a hostile takover ensued; and Vector was no longer the guys who made it... of the original team, only a stylist remained... one stylest. shop was moved to Florida, and Megatech also recently bought Lamborghini... so lambo chassis+ engines were re bodied... the engine was mounted 180 degress different, and a getrag 5 speed was used... that was quoted as being "the worst car in the world" ;) the W8 shared no components with the M12 |
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Anyday i would take the Vector over the F1... the F1 sucks and is overrated... as nth says, its a great engine in a crappy body... and no one really cares about top speed, thats just for fanboys, specially mclaren ones :P |
actually, i said "crappy chassis" ;)
you'd think that race engineers could've made a responsive chassis with no budget in mind.... the Vector's engineers even added torsion bars to make the engine's torque keep the car ground-bound.... and an incredibly responsive chassis... but somewhat numb steering. |
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McLaren F1 = LeMan's winner
Veyron = ? |
:fuck: F1 rules :fuck:
(and its not that i dont like the veyron.. because i do..) |
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oh, and on racing gas, the transmission is dealing with 1200 hp... how many clutches does an F1 eat? ;) |
That can be true but it's the same for an Enzo which "eats" clutch (I read that Nick Mason had to changes his Enzo clutch after 1500 miles ) and Lambos are also reported to be hard on them but it depends on the use you make of the car ... I don't see why it would be different for the F1 :wink:
All these arguments don't change my opinion on this car : I love it :P |
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I'm not sure if you are aware, but the F1 uses a carbon clutch, which, if used properly will last much longer than 4,000miles, but if abused, yes it will be done in 4-5,000miles. It’s much the same situation with the CGT, or any other car (as if there are a multitude of them out there :lol:) using a carbon clutch. Nearly 500ft-lb trq with a lightweight clutch and disrespect for that clutch is going to lead to a short life. I don't see how that is 'highly unimpressive'? In addition, this may just obfuscate matters more, but the 4,000 mile interval often quoted as the 'life' of the F1's clutch is actually when the carbon clutch plates need to be re-shimmed to close the gap which develops from wear. This is obviously an involved procedure and could for practical purposes be as involved as changing a clutch, but it is not actually changing the clutch, as it lasts through several re-shims. To further elaborate, one owner has gone 25,000 miles on one clutch, and yes he drives the car 'sportingly', and feels it will last at least 40,000miles. |
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so.... with so many modern tech out there, and so many 500 hp+++ 500 ft. lbs. torque cars out there, couldn't mighty Mclaren use a new tech that will last longer? ;) seriously, the F1 isn't the benchmark so many people claim it to be... the facts just don't support it. every single thing that it is supposed to do better, I can think of another car that does it better... from the same era no less :P i also seriously doubt some guy is driving truly "sportingly" if his clutch has lasted 25,000 miles.... even low-pow econoboxes driven sportingly wont have clutches that last anywhere near that ;)..... let alone a 600 hp V12 |
Sorry nth but I don't see any Supercar of the same era or even after that weighted only 1130 kg with a 6 liter V12 (or even smaller engines) and some comfort items like heated front screen CD player, Air-cond. ... . The F50 was claimed at 1250 but was closer to 1350 and even the F40 was 1250 kg "heavy" (claimed 1100 kg ). The McLaren is a masterpiece and even you don't like it I think that you must be fair and admit it :wink:
For the roadholding, some great drivers (like Paul Frere) don't find it to be a nightmare :wink: |
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im not fan of Macca desing either, but i must say its engineer masterpiece, so light,fast , definetly sub zero, |
McLaren F1 is very very fast car.I like this car but not because of its performance.Because of its design. This car is subzero for me.
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Well, name another car from the early 1990s that has the same amazing throttle response of the F1, while at the same time having a 6L motor. Maybe there are cars out there with 500 trq from 1994 with a clutch that last longer...but its not a carbon clutch, and I can promise you it won't rev the way an F1 does. Quote:
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the CGT's clutch is wholey, and completely different
and dropping from 8000 isn't the same as normal first and second gear starts (not launches) the CGT is altogether another animal.... lets mention what the F1 does... it is the lightest for its time, and it accellerates the best to 60 mph for its time... i'm not so sure about 0-100mph... its built using some uber exotic materials, and processes. it isn't the fastest, and it isn't the best handling; or greatest feel in handing. It isn't the only 3 seat hypercar; 3 seat was an option in the Vector well before the F1 came out ;) It wasn't the most powerful car in its day... i'm unsure about braking... but i would think it would do well concidering its weight.... i seem to recall it having the 0-100-0 record... but how many other early 90's supercars were put through that test in similar conditions, and identical pavement? heck, if pavement is smooth enough... the SRT-10 manages a 107 ft. braking distance from 60 mph... was the F1 a good car? definately. Was it the best, definately not. why is it uber gay? Because people think its the best, when many owners think otherwise. (granted, they still like the car, and such) |
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CGT's have been known to 'eat' clutches at the hands of abusive drivers as well, does that make it "highly unimpressive" as well? Quote:
3 seat option in the Vector, any pictures? Is that like, a bench seat in the front, a la Crown Vic? ;) |
3 seat was indeed an option in the Vector but I've never seen a pic with this configuration (maybe it was never retained).
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Seriously uncool. I'm tired of reading Gordon Murray's articles where he writes that the Macca is the best car ever and nothing can touch it. And he talks about the F1 everytime he writes an article.
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there are several F1 haterz I see... prolly bugatti fanboys.
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lol, I love all the cars :wink:
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I think won of the Yammato cars had the 3 seat option, and no, it wasn't a bench. ;) Quote:
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Do you have that skip-pad article, maybe you could scan it if you do have it? I'm sure more people than just me are interested in how a car got 1.25 G on a skid-pad... Also, bringing up the mileage limit debate again, if the owner of the F1 lives in the USA, and the car is not one of the 6 or so converted to confirm to US regulations, it is under a DOT "Show or Display" limit of 2500 miles a year. There is no limit imposed by the factory, although it might be easy to mix up the DOT limit with a factory limit. |
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