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SFDMALEX 08-11-2006 11:57 AM

Why the big price for the Apple Cinema Displays?
 
Really why?

I know the poofta crowd will think its just another hate thread but this is screens we are talking about.

The Cinema screens use the same panels as most LGs, LG.Philips screens.

They dont have any special features that I can read about.

They look........Well thats personal preference. They dont look special to me. Just a white thin bezel.

And they crack when you open them. THe acrylic side covers crack even when you do it with care. THat sucks, because I want to be able to open my stuff up.



Anyone have one of these? What makes it worth the premium over a good LG or NEC or Samsung screen?

Pimp Racer 08-11-2006 02:05 PM

Ya why are they so damn expensive? The 30 inch has a massively high resoultion so maybe thats why? But its still expensive even after the price drop!

r2r 08-11-2006 02:24 PM

well, for example, the Dell 20" display is made around 95% the same parts as the apple 20" display other then outside, then they are adjusted a small difference for company preference.

In the end these two displays are almost exactly the same, but there are people that are willing to pay $200 more for the apple for its looks!

I personally like the apple displays design the best, so when I was looking to buy a nice monitor I ended up buying an HP one :)

SFDMALEX 08-11-2006 02:35 PM

Well I just got an LG 20 inch.

I think it looks alright, however it does have an unnecessarily thick bezel. Funny part being it just an extra addon for looks, it could have been much narrower. But it still looks alright.


And yea its true, Dell, Apple they all use LG.Philips screens.

But the apple screens a 200 premium for looks :roll:


Besides, white wouldnt fit into my setup.

evoWalo 08-11-2006 05:08 PM

Re: Why the big price for the Apple Cinema Displays?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Really why?

I know the poofta crowd will think its just another hate thread but this is screens we are talking about.

The Cinema screens use the same panels as most LGs, LG.Philips screens.

They dont have any special features that I can read about.

They look........Well thats personal preference. They dont look special to me. Just a white thin bezel.

And they crack when you open them. THe acrylic side covers crack even when you do it with care. THat sucks, because I want to be able to open my stuff up.



Anyone have one of these? What makes it worth the premium over a good LG or NEC or Samsung screen?

The current ones uses anodized aluminum not cheap plastics. It's not white it's brushed metal. zee white ones have been discontinued as early as 2003.

It has been color calibrated from the factory.

it has 2 ieee1394a ports & 2 usb2.0 ports

A single cable extends from the back of the display and breaks out to connect DVI, USB 2.0, FireWire 400 and power. Eliminates cable clutter.

SWOP certified

DELL's 3007WFP 30-inch Wide-Screen Flat Panel LCD = $2199
30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display = $1999

I'd go for a DELL UltraSharp 2407WFP 24-inch Widescreen Flat Panel so I can hook it up to my 360 @ 1080i & PC/Mac @ 1920x1200. It's cheaper than a half-assed HDTV without the useless accessories like a HD tuner & speakers.

Toronto 08-11-2006 05:31 PM


looks like the first review gave some good reasons.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_Cinema...-30964608.html
to each their own.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Besides, white wouldnt fit into my setup.

it isn't white? maybe you have a problem with your current video card and display, cause that thing ain't white on my screen?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pimp Racer
Ya why are they so damn expensive? The 30 inch has a massively high resoultion so maybe thats why? But its still expensive even after the price drop!

it isn't if you look @ the prices of the same size panel on the LG and Dell screens.

CMonakar 08-11-2006 06:56 PM

It's been awhile since I read the article, but I believe Tomshardware.com found the performance to be mediocre.

evoWalo 08-11-2006 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccarlisi
It's been awhile since I read the article, but I believe Tomshardware.com found the performance to be mediocre.

Apple are using updated LCD panels when they updated the price last Monday.

SFDMALEX 08-12-2006 12:13 AM

Re: Why the big price for the Apple Cinema Displays?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ellen feiss
The current ones uses anodized aluminum not cheap plastics. It's not white it's brushed metal. zee white ones have been discontinued as early as 2003.

It has been color calibrated from the factory.

it has 2 ieee1394a ports & 2 usb2.0 ports

A single cable extends from the back of the display and breaks out to connect DVI, USB 2.0, FireWire 400 and power. Eliminates cable clutter.

SWOP certified

DELL's 3007WFP 30-inch Wide-Screen Flat Panel LCD = $2199
30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display = $1999

Actually the review I read it wasnt the Aluminium that was the problem, it was the acrylic side thingies, where the buttons are...apparently they cracked effortlesly.

The usb/firewire hubs are a nice feature but I personaly would rather have it seperate...Or rather none at all. I have 10 in my case. 8 at back and 2 at the front.

I do like apple cable managment thats nicely taken care of.



Toronto- I was refering to the colour white. Id much rather have one in black. Actually if I got one I think Id get it paited matt black. It would look killer.



Anyway price difference seems smaller now.


I just wanted to see if they had any "special" technology or features that justified the price difference.



BTW what panels are they using now?


The one i have in this LG is a 8ms IPS, 1:1400 16.8m colours 1680x1050 20.1"

evoWalo 08-12-2006 02:19 AM

Re: Why the big price for the Apple Cinema Displays?
 
Just to make sure we're on the same page, is the photo below the display we're both talking about? Model M9177LL/A?

http://images.apple.com/displays/ima...op20060807.jpg

I'm guessing they're using updated LG or Samsung

Brightness (typical) 300 cd/m2
Contrast ratio (typical) 700:1
Response time (typical) 14 ms
Pixel pitch 0.258 mm

It also has a port for the Kensington lock & provisions for a Vesa mount.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Actually the review I read it wasnt the Aluminium that was the problem, it was the acrylic side thingies, where the buttons are...apparently they cracked effortlesly.

The usb/firewire hubs are a nice feature but I personaly would rather have it seperate...Or rather none at all. I have 10 in my case. 8 at back and 2 at the front.

I do like apple cable managment thats nicely taken care of.



Toronto- I was refering to the colour white. Id much rather have one in black. Actually if I got one I think Id get it paited matt black. It would look killer.



Anyway price difference seems smaller now.


I just wanted to see if they had any "special" technology or features that justified the price difference.



BTW what panels are they using now?


The one i have in this LG is a 8ms IPS, 1:400 16.8m colours 1680x1050 20.1"


Toronto 08-12-2006 03:03 AM

Re: Why the big price for the Apple Cinema Displays?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Toronto- I was refering to the colour white. Id much rather have one in black. Actually if I got one I think Id get it paited matt black. It would look killer.

http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/default.aspx

SFDMALEX 08-12-2006 05:17 PM

Re: Why the big price for the Apple Cinema Displays?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ellen feiss
Brightness (typical) 300 cd/m2
Contrast ratio (typical) 700:1
Response time (typical) 14 ms
Pixel pitch 0.258 mm


Im surprised its 14ms.

BTW I made a mistake in my previous post. This LG has 1:1400 contrast ratio.

ae86_16v 08-12-2006 07:26 PM

People pay extra for looks all the time. Just as one would pay extra for a special paint on a car.

black_magician 08-12-2006 08:02 PM

^^you get what you pay for. :bah:

evoWalo 08-13-2006 02:24 AM

If it makes your life sipler & you make tens of thousands of dollars per project the price difference quickly melts away.

One wedding photo coverage could easily net you enough cash to buy a 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display. This is the goign rate in a developing country and what more over there.

SFDMALEX 08-13-2006 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ellen feiss
If it makes your life sipler & you make tens of thousands of dollars per project the price difference quickly melts away.

One wedding photo coverage could easily net you enough cash to buy a 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display. This is the goign rate in a developing country and what more over there.


:lol: are you saying Im broke or something?

Sorry but you dont make money by waisting money.
Overpaying is no different then getting robbed.

Especialy overpaying for a product that is not even the latest technology.

As always you get your shit way off topic... :roll:


And what are you trying to get too? Macs are for the "rich"?

dutchmasterflex 08-13-2006 03:34 PM

They are for the rich ;) Isn't that what you're implying with this topic?

SFDMALEX 08-13-2006 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutchmasterflex
They are for the rich ;) Isn't that what you're implying with this topic?

So big price = rich?


Im sorry but thats a fucked up way of thinking.


Lets say Im rich. Looking to purchase a screen. Does this mean I go and buy an Apple Cinema?

No. If Im rich Ill buy the best product.

The Apple Cinema display is not the best product. There are a lot of other higher spec displays out there.


So once again, what are you trying say?


What I implying with my topic is why is the big premium when its not the highest spec nor does it offer any significant features over the competition? I dont mind to pay to play, but why pay for no play?

evoWalo 08-13-2006 05:57 PM

They arent for you, most definatly. :lol:

These LCDs are part of their Pro-line. Pro being professionals who work on a Mac, make obsene amounts of money & dont mind to pay a bit more if it makes their lives easier and make their output a bit better. Creative pros arent generally known to be techies & their strengths lay in producing content.

What is your category for "best"? Tech specs? Awards? Conveniences?

Are BMWs the best cars in the world? RC & others may not agree with you.

I dont think the Cinema Dispalys are the "tech specs" best but I can appreciate where the premium goes too. For my personal application I'd still go for a Dell LCD. It has almost all the inputs I currently need without the price premium for conveniences I can live without & wont appreciate plugged into a PC.

Here's a link to a 2651" HDTV that costs $28 million. Does the hefty price tag warrant the screen size? Those who want to sit 550 feet away from it would appreciate it if they had the money.
Quote:

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX

So big price = rich?


Im sorry but thats a fucked up way of thinking.


Lets say Im rich. Looking to purchase a screen. Does this mean I go and buy an Apple Cinema?

No. If Im rich Ill buy the best product.

The Apple Cinema display is not the best product. There are a lot of other higher spec displays out there.


So once again, what are you trying say?


What I implying with my topic is why is the big premium when its not the highest spec nor does it offer any significant features over the competition? I dont mind to pay to play, but why pay for no play?


SFDMALEX 08-13-2006 09:36 PM

/\/\/\Good points, you should use that approach more often. :wink:


And sure Id have one. Just in black :wink: But as you know I already went with something else.

TNT 08-13-2006 10:01 PM

GO APPLE :D


i have seen the screens at the store and then just seem clearing IMO and brighter. :bah:

SFDMALEX 08-13-2006 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNT
GO APPLE :D

http://www.teensmodel.net/looker/nud...img/tb_001.jpg

Jabba 08-14-2006 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ellen feiss
that costs $28 million.

Is that available with an extended warranty do you know ??

Sir_GT 08-14-2006 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabba
Quote:

Originally Posted by ellen feiss
that costs $28 million.

Is that available with an extended warranty do you know ??

:lol:

Planning to broadcast JW to Mars? :)

Jabba 08-15-2006 07:46 AM

:lol:

SFDMALEX 08-16-2006 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phatbimmer
jabbasworld = applehate

its not hate

its tough love.


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