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pterps 11-26-2006 07:41 AM

Black Enzo crash
 
Another crashed Enzo, owned by a Russian miljonaire, yesterday in Nice (France). The car is broken in two parts like all the other Enzo wrecks we have seen before.

http://www.nicematin.fr/paper_viewer...ce&h=580&w=780

http://img134.imagevenue.com/loc525/..._122_525lo.jpg

Zot09 11-26-2006 07:49 AM

Ouch, that sucks. Is the owner ok?

pterps 11-26-2006 07:54 AM

Russian driver & passenger badly burnt according to a local paper this morning.... :( But still alive.

nthfinity 11-26-2006 09:29 AM

Suleyman Abusaidovich Kerimov was the owner, who incidentally is a currupt guy directly involved in the UN 'oil for food' scandle

DeMoN 11-26-2006 09:35 AM

yah nice, race on snowy surface.

davide 11-26-2006 10:54 AM

^^
I hope that was a joke :D
that's foam used by the firemen...

gangajas 11-26-2006 11:10 AM

Well, the Enzo is even more exclusive now

philip 11-26-2006 11:43 AM

Great post. Wow another one so quickly. In two years there won't be any left. Complete with shady owner. How do you even find a place in Nice (Southern France) to drive that fast?

yg60m 11-26-2006 12:25 PM

Sad :| I don't remember there was so much F50 broken like this ... Maybe just a lack of informations, internet enable the info to travel very fast !

RC45 11-26-2006 03:09 PM

The car probably broke in 2 as it it the tree.

I bet as he stole the money he had no idea that Karma would be his co-driver one day ;)

TopGearNL 11-26-2006 03:32 PM

Sad to see the Enzo go and the people burned that were in the Enzo :(

LEXION 11-26-2006 03:34 PM

Ah, not another Enzo, this car is to rare and exclusive to be crashed, stupid drivers :x

ZondaC12 11-26-2006 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philip
How do you even find a place in Nice (Southern France) to drive that fast?

This is a completely straight line (restricted at 50km/h :roll: ), i don't know what could have happened... :?
According to the press, he hit the kerb then immediatly crash into the tree....

RC45 11-26-2006 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZondaC12
Quote:

Originally Posted by philip
How do you even find a place in Nice (Southern France) to drive that fast?

This is a completely straight line (restricted at 50km/h :roll: ), i don't know what could have happened... :?
According to the press, he hit the kerb then immediatly crash into the tree....

Simple - hit the gas pedal, the car begins to accelerate and then gets out of shape and *boom* you hit the curb.

Probably took less than 10 seconds to destroy it ;)

Mattk 11-26-2006 09:45 PM

Ouch! Why are there so many Enzo crashes of late? Coincidence? :?

EnzoLover 11-26-2006 10:06 PM

:( :( :( :( :(

One more...

And why Ferrari "choose" the owners of the Enzo? For this? Great selection of Enzo owners...

RC45 11-26-2006 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnzoLover
:( :( :( :( :(

One more...

And why Ferrari "choose" the owners of the Enzo? For this? Great selection of Enzo owners...

Why are people obsessed with the "choosing" of the owners as if this somehow guarentees perfect drivers and some how "keeps everything pure" ;)

BTW - Enzos are being bought used all the time so there goes the 'choosing" logic. :P

nthfinity 11-26-2006 11:33 PM

wow, its amazing the reporting tha tAutoblog preforms, really investigative and hard hitting news! :lol:

ViperASR 11-26-2006 11:57 PM

^^^
lol


That does suck that all these enzo's are being crashed like this though. Obviously the "weak" spot on the enzo is between the passenger compartment and the engine bay.

Mattk 11-27-2006 12:17 AM

^If so, you'd think that a car named after Enzo Ferrari would be better designed.

ViperASR 11-27-2006 12:28 AM

I think the design of the car was great, if not close to perfect. It just seems that the if the car is T-boned or something like that happens, it splits in the middle. Perhaps it is the result of the carbon-fibre, in that is does not bend like steel/aluminum, it shatters.

Mattk 11-27-2006 12:31 AM

Well having cars spectacularly shattering after a big crash is not a good look in any case. It can also be potentially more dangerous.

twboy1999 11-27-2006 12:47 AM

lol
u guys are complaning about how dangerous enzo is during a crash

come on, just because it split in half, and all the pieces shatter because it is made of CF , doent mean it is not safer then other vehicell.. it is probably alot safer then most cars

examples,, the guy that stole the enzo, he was going at 150+mph and crashed,, he was fine.. let see u do that in regular car.

there are may high speed enzo crash, and none of them died or had server insuries other then this one, cuz the engine cougth fire, and they got burned

twboy1999 11-27-2006 12:50 AM

and braking apart, in half actualy takes away alot of the impact energies

nthfinity 11-27-2006 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twboy1999
lol
u guys are complaning about how dangerous enzo is during a crash

come on, just because it split in half, and all the pieces shatter because it is made of CF , doent mean it is not safer then other vehicell.. it is probably alot safer then most cars

examples,, the guy that stole the enzo, he was going at 150+mph and crashed,, he was fine.. let see u do that in regular car.

there are may high speed enzo crash, and none of them died or had server insuries other then this one, cuz the engine cougth fire, and they got burned

60-100 mph crash in Houston = everybody ok
150+ mph crash in italy = RIP
162+ mph crash oh PCH = bloody nose + dietrik
190 mph crash in Loose's enzo = broken bones, but otherwise ok
60 mph crash in California = burned to death RIP
60 mph crash in Nice = severe burns, and unknown prognosis

RAMMIUS 11-27-2006 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperASR
I think the design of the car was great, if not close to perfect. It just seems that the if the car is T-boned or something like that happens, it splits in the middle. Perhaps it is the result of the carbon-fibre, in that is does not bend like steel/aluminum, it shatters.

You stupid imbecil :x , that chassis was designed in order to brake apart in case the impact passes some value.
In that case not only the passangers have a better chance of surviving but also some idiot like you that comes from the other direction doesn`t get hit by 1350kg but rather by half, and improving the chances of survival for everybody , you dipshit.

The same company that makes the chassis for Enzo made the one for Carrera GT(and for Veyron too), and when that lady crashed the Black GT the car split in two also.

How come a moron like you, somehow finds flaws in the worlds best cars ? :alienflip:

RC45 11-27-2006 03:50 AM

^^^ Wow - I thought I was harsh ;)

Zot09 11-27-2006 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nthfinity
Quote:

Originally Posted by twboy1999
lol
u guys are complaning about how dangerous enzo is during a crash

come on, just because it split in half, and all the pieces shatter because it is made of CF , doent mean it is not safer then other vehicell.. it is probably alot safer then most cars

examples,, the guy that stole the enzo, he was going at 150+mph and crashed,, he was fine.. let see u do that in regular car.

there are may high speed enzo crash, and none of them died or had server insuries other then this one, cuz the engine cougth fire, and they got burned

60-100 mph crash in Houston = everybody ok
150+ mph crash in italy = RIP
162+ mph crash oh PCH = bloody nose + dietrik
190 mph crash in Loose's enzo = broken bones, but otherwise ok
60 mph crash in Nice = severe burns, and unknown prognosis

Don't forget the crashed Enzo in Monterey. RIP

acs power 11-27-2006 08:49 AM

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/227...5256hf3.th.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/543...ad95ji4.th.jpg

On the passenger seat was travelling famous russian tv star Tina Kandelaki. She suffered minor injuries and already left the hospital.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1...0704gz2.th.jpg

fsandys 11-27-2006 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
^ hehe...

Take it easy RAMMIUS! :roll:


Lol, he's absolutely correct though, even if they didn't know it was DESIGNED TO DO THIS, surely the fact that people come out of 150+ crashes alive is proof that it is not a bad thing to happen. :roll:

Stoopie 11-27-2006 10:41 AM

Uhm I've seen pictures of Enzo's not ripped in two.. If you go to wreckedexotics.com (don't know if that site is known here) you'll find a few 'whole' Enzo's.. ;)

ViperASR 11-27-2006 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAMMIUS
Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperASR
I think the design of the car was great, if not close to perfect. It just seems that the if the car is T-boned or something like that happens, it splits in the middle. Perhaps it is the result of the carbon-fibre, in that is does not bend like steel/aluminum, it shatters.

You stupid imbecil :x , that chassis was designed in order to brake apart in case the impact passes some value.
In that case not only the passangers have a better chance of surviving but also some idiot like you that comes from the other direction doesn`t get hit by 1350kg but rather by half, and improving the chances of survival for everybody , you dipshit.

The same company that makes the chassis for Enzo made the one for Carrera GT(and for Veyron too), and when that lady crashed the Black GT the car split in two also.

How come a moron like you, somehow finds flaws in the worlds best cars ? :alienflip:


Wow dude, when did I say I was finding flaws in it. And I highly doubt that the car was designed to split in 2 so I didnt get hit by the whole car. It was probobly designed to do that to absorb alot of the impact so the driver dosnt have to absorb that energy. Its the same thing with crumple zones in other cars. As for getting hit by the whole car/half the car, if the car split during an accident with another car, the car would be whole untill the accident, where it then would split into 2 part, therefore, you would get hit by the whole car, or 2 halves if that would make you feel better.

Man, and I also thought RC was harsh, but at least to get a reaction from RC like that you have to provoke him....

RC45 11-27-2006 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperASR
Man, and I also thought RC was harsh, but at least to get a reaction from RC like that you have to provoke him....

;) just think of me as a grouchy dog under the back porch... as long as you don't poke me with a stick it's all ok ;)

RAMMIUS 11-27-2006 12:00 PM

Quote:

Its the same thing with crumple zones in other cars. As for getting hit by the whole car/half the car, if the car split during an accident with another car, the car would be whole untill the accident, where it then would split into 2 part, therefore, you would get hit by the whole car, or 2 halves if that would make you feel better.
:roll: , the whole idea was in case of an accident with another car, was to protect the other vehicle too Einstein.
If you`ll hit a wall at 150km/h no crumple zone and airbag it`s gonna save your life, but if you hit/get hit by an Enzo at that speed by splitting you have the best way of dissipating the energy from the contact.
This kind of enginnering protects everybody: from the careless supercar driver that hit a pole, tree,whatever at some 200km/h +,the other drivers on the road and so on.

This was your first troll reply

Quote:

Obviously the "weak" spot on the enzo is between the passenger compartment and the engine bay.

LEXION 11-27-2006 12:06 PM

MARSEILLE, France -- Russian billionaire and parliamentarian Suleiman Kerimov was in critical condition in a French hospital on Monday after his car crashed and caught fire on a Mediterranean coast road, a hospital spokesman said.

Kerimov was being treated in a Marseille hospital after his black Ferrari sports car crashed on Saturday on the chic Promenade des Anglais, a boulevard which runs along the sea front in the city of Nice, a police spokesman said.

He did not say what had caused the crash.

"He's in a critical condition," said a hospital spokesman in Marseille, adding that Kerimov had suffered burns. "He is on artificial respiration."

Kerimov, 41, is worth $7.1 billion according to Forbes magazine, whose annual survey of the world's richest people put him at No. 72, and made him the 11th richest Russian.

He was born in Russia's southern region of Dagestan near the troubled region of Chechnya and owns big stakes in gas monopoly Gazprom and Russia's largest bank, Sberbank.

He also controls the Russian silver mining firm Polymetal, which plans an initial public share offering in January.

Polymetal declined to comment on Monday when asked whether its plans might change as a result of Kerimov's crash.

Kerimov leapt into the top league of Russian billionaires in the late 1990s, several years after he started to borrow aggressively from banks to buy shares in state companies, betting that the value of his investments would rise over time.

Married with three children, he is regularly linked by Russian tabloids to some of Russia's most famous young women.

Russian media reported last year that he paid $1 million to fly pop stars Shakira and Christina Aguilera to Russia to celebrate his 40th birthday.

Police said a young woman was in Kerimov's car at the time of the crash and suffered less serious injuries. Her name was not released.


http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/eu...eut/index.html

TopGearNL 11-27-2006 12:10 PM

Those Russians really have some money :shock:

For the sake of his children I hope he will get better...

RC45 11-27-2006 12:46 PM

You really think he is a "father" to his children?

TeflonTron 11-27-2006 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperASR
^^^
lol


That does suck that all these enzo's are being crashed like this though. Obviously the "weak" spot on the enzo is between the passenger compartment and the engine bay.

Why is that the weak spot? Has it not occured to people that the car may be designed to brek into two pieces, so that the havy engine goes one way, and the driver in his safety cell goes another way?

EDIT: just read the rest of the thread and I see that the above has already been mentioned.

Ghostbat 11-27-2006 12:54 PM

^^

Has it not occurred to you to read previous posts in this topic :)

Rammius has already kindly replied to vipers post.. :wink:

Personally I think the "weak spot" in most Enzos is the mofo driving it.

RC45 11-27-2006 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTron
Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperASR
^^^
lol


That does suck that all these enzo's are being crashed like this though. Obviously the "weak" spot on the enzo is between the passenger compartment and the engine bay.

Why is that the weak spot? Has it not occured to people that the car may be designed to brek into two pieces, so that the havy engine goes one way, and the driver in his safety cell goes another way?

EDIT: just read the rest of the thread and I see that the above has already been mentioned.

Actually I think you guys are all full of crap.. the car wasn't "designed to break into 2 and safely go their seperate ways".

I suspect it is rather a by product of the materials and design, not BY design.. ;)

TeflonTron 11-27-2006 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghostbat
^^

Has it not occurred to you to read previous posts in this topic :)

Rammius has already kindly replied to vipers post.. :wink:

Personally I think the "weak spot" in most Enzos is the mofo driving it.

Well yes, but I started at the begining until I read that post, and wanted to reply to it, so I did. I then looked and saw that there were a bunch of other osts after.

RC: if that is the case, and I'm open to believe that it's possible, then Ferrari is opening themselves up for a MASSIVE lawsuit. The last people you want to sue you are those than can splurge $1 million+ on a toy.

RAMMIUS 11-28-2006 04:03 AM

Yes, some of you car connaisseurs really know a lot of stuff about ATR group and its products :roll:

http://www.atrgroup.it/eng/clienti.htm

RC45 11-28-2006 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTron
RC: if that is the case, and I'm open to believe that it's possible, then Ferrari is opening themselves up for a MASSIVE lawsuit. The last people you want to sue you are those than can splurge $1 million+ on a toy.

Not at all - these cars are not any more unsafe than sitting on a toilet in a train station.

You can't "speed" on the road then sue the car maker ;)

RC45 11-28-2006 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAMMIUS
Yes, some of you car connaisseurs really know a lot of stuff about ATR group and its products :roll:

http://www.atrgroup.it/eng/clienti.htm

So? Just because they made all the parts doesn't mean they are the best to have designed or made them.. it just means they won the contract :)

pterps 11-28-2006 04:18 PM

The car was in one piece after the crash!! Picture taken by safety cam on the airport.

http://img153.imagevenue.com/loc577/..._122_577lo.jpg

TopGearNL 11-28-2006 04:20 PM

/\/\ Interesting Pterps, what happened then did it explode or something? :shock:

ViperASR 11-28-2006 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC45
Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTron
Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperASR
^^^
lol


That does suck that all these enzo's are being crashed like this though. Obviously the "weak" spot on the enzo is between the passenger compartment and the engine bay.

Why is that the weak spot? Has it not occured to people that the car may be designed to brek into two pieces, so that the havy engine goes one way, and the driver in his safety cell goes another way?

EDIT: just read the rest of the thread and I see that the above has already been mentioned.

Actually I think you guys are all full of crap.. the car wasn't "designed to break into 2 and safely go their seperate ways".

I suspect it is rather a by product of the materials and design, not BY design.. ;)

I agree, thats why I was talking about steel bending and carbon fibre shattering

philip 12-09-2006 06:08 PM

In an ideal situation the driver and passenger cabin should be rigid and the strongest part of the car. Drag racing seems to have this figured out as they have the strongest cocoon for the driver.

Since it is the strongest part, in a most serious accident, it should be the only whole part left over. Parts leaving the car, I do believe disapate energy and lessen the g forces on the occupants. In drag racing the engine compartment by design separates from the driver cocoon on purpose as the engine and fuel is dangerous to the driver.

I would suspect the Enzo is designed indirectly to separate in this way. It is primarily the result of the cabin part of the car being stronger than the other parts. The designers had a choice to make the connection between the cabin and the engine as strong, but elected to not add this extra weight to keep something potentially dangerous attached to a car obviously in serious trouble.

That my view and this is as ususal out my ass.

LEXION 12-10-2006 01:41 PM

are there anymore pictures taken by that cam? or the live video.....


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