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HeilSvenska 07-18-2008 02:25 PM

Chevrolet Camaro's pricing revealed... and it's cheap!
 
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296bhp 3.6-litre V6
416bhp 6.2-litre V8
cylinder deactivation
6-speed manual and auto transmissions
weight distribution 52/48
~3750lbs

fordgt84 07-18-2008 02:51 PM

wow, i'm really diggin that interior, what a contrast to the rubbish interior on the previous one... but having seen so many spy pics of camaro prototypes i can't say i'm completely won over by the outside...still we dont know how it performs yet, cant wait for those reviews to come in, and see what the aftermarket will do with it 8-)

^ ^btw what source did u use?

5vz-fe 07-18-2008 03:24 PM

The interior is pretty good actually, in a way it's retro, but still have a touch of modern feel.

HeilSvenska 07-18-2008 03:35 PM

Source:
http://tribes.cartribe.co.uk/kickapp...6.html?as=7276

HeilSvenska 07-18-2008 03:42 PM

I was bored. So...
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Inspiration
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Spiffu 07-18-2008 06:17 PM

3700 lbs, but at least they gave it a potent V6 for the base model. Not to mention all independent suspension.

As long as the top of the line model is under $40k, this car will be a winner.

The RS model or whatever the base V8 model is, needs to be under $30k out the door.

kach22i 07-19-2008 12:41 PM

Photos or computer renderings?

They look like computer renderings to me.

Still nice though.

The opening of the hood is held back from the front leading lip edge, interesting.

HeilSvenska 07-19-2008 06:17 PM

They're real.

Here's some more.
http://jalopnik.com/398891/dale-earn...sie-test-track

styla21 07-19-2008 08:32 PM

Looks tough, but..... *Yawns

HeilSvenska 07-21-2008 04:05 PM

Live reveal
http://gmtv.feedroom.com/

Everything you didn't have to know about the Camaro

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2010 Production Specs

Overview

Models: Chevrolet Camaro LS, LT and SS
Driveline: Four-passenger, front-engine, rear-drive coupe
Construction: Unitized body frame, one- and two-sided galvanized steel
Mfg Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
Competitors: Dodge Challenger, Ford Mustang, Nissan 350Z

Chassis/Suspension:

Front: double-ball-joint, multi-link strut; direct-acting stabilizer bar; progressive-rate coil springs; fully adjustable camber, caster and toe
Rear: 4.5-link independent; progressive-rate coil springs over shocks; stabilizer bar; fully adjustable camber and toe
Steering type: variable-ratio rack-and-pinion
Steering ratio: 16.1:1
Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock: 2.5
Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft/m): 37.7/11.5

Brakes:

Type: four-wheel disc w/ABS; ventilated front and rear rotors; single-piston front calipers and single-piston alloy rear calipers (LS, LT); four-piston fixed Brembo aluminum front and rear calipers (SS)

Rotor diameter, front (in/mm):
LS/LT: 12.64/321
SS: 14/355

Rotor diameter, rear (in/mm):
LS/LT: 12.4/315
SS: 14.4/365

Rotor thickness, front (in/mm):
LS/LT: 1.18/30
SS: 1.26/32

Rotor thickness, rear (in/mm):
LS/LT: 0.9/23
SS: 1.1/28

Wheels/Tires

Wheel size and type:
LS: 18x7.5-inch steel
LT: 18x7.5-inch aluminum OR 19x8-inch aluminum
SS: 20x8-inch aluminum (front), 20x9-inch aluminum (rear)

Tires:
LS: P245/55R18 all-season
LT: P245/55R18 all-season OR P245/50R19 all-season
SS: P245/45ZR20 summer (front), P275/40ZR20 summer (rear)

Engines

3.6l V-6 DI VVT (LLT)
Application: LS, LT
Displacement (cu in / cc) 217/3564
Bore & stroke (in / mm) 3.70 x 3.37 / 94 x 85.6
Block material – cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners
Valvetrain – dual overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, continuously variable valve timing
Fuel delivery – direct high-pressure fuel injection
Compression ration – 11.3:1
Horsepower (hp/kW)– 300/224 @ 6400 rpm *
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm) - 273/370 @ 5200 *
Recommended fuel – regular unleaded
Max engine speed – 7000
Fuel economy (auto trans) – 26 hwy (est)

6.2L V-8 (LS3, L99)
Application : SS
Displacement (cu in / cc) 376/6162
Bore & stroke (in / mm) 4.06 x 3.62 / 103.25 x 92
Cylinder head material: aluminum (v6 too, whoops)
Block material – cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners
Valvetrain – valve-in-head: two valves per cylinder; roller lifters; Active Fuel Management (L99)
Fuel delivery – returnless, multi-port fuel injection
Compression ration – 10.7:1
Horsepower (hp/kW)– 422 / 315 @ 5000 rpm (LS3) * 400 / 299 @ 5000 (L99)*
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm) - 408 / 553 @ 4500 (LS3)* 395 / 535 @ 4500 (L99)
Recommended fuel – premium unleaded
Max engine speed (rpm)– 6000 (L99) 6600 (LS3)
Fuel economy (auto trans) – 23 hwy (est)

Transmissions

Hydra-Matic 6l50 six-speed automatic (LS, LT) w/ TAPshift

Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.07
Second: 2.37
Third: 1.55
Fourth: 1.16
Fifth: 0.85
Sixth: 0.67
Reverse: 3.06
Final drive ratio: 3.27

Hydra-Matic 6l80 six-speed automatic (SS) w/ TAPshift

Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.03
Second: 2.36
Third: 1.53
Fourth: 1.15
Fifth: 0.85
Sixth: 0.67
Reverse: 3.06
Final drive ratio: 3.27

Aisin Warner AY6 six-speed manual (LS, LT)

Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.48
Second: 2.58
Third: 1.63
Fourth: 1.19
Fifth: 1.00
Sixth: 0.75
Reverse: 3.67
Final drive ratio: 3.27

TR6060 six-speed manual (SS)

Gear ratios (:1):
First: 3.01
Second: 2.07
Third: 1.43
Fourth: 1.00
Fifth: 0.84
Sixth: 0.57
Reverse: 3.28
Final drive ratio: 3.45

Dimensions, Exterior:

Overall length (in/mm): 190.4/4836
Overall width (in/mm): 75.5/1918
Overall height (in/mm): 54.2/1377
Track, front (in/mm): 63.7/1618
Track, rear (in/mm): 64.1/1628 (LS, LT); 63.7/1618 (SS)

Curb weights (lb/kg):
3750/1705 - LT w/automatic
3741/1700 - LT w/manual
3769/1713 - LS w/automatic
3780/1718 - LS w/manual
3913/1779 - SS w/automatic
3860/1755 - SS w/manual (Too heavy!!!)

Weight balance (% front/rear) 52/48
Dimensions, Interior:
Seating capacity (front/rear): 2/2
Headroom (in/mm): front: 37.4/950; rear: 35.3/897
Legroom (in/mm): front: 42.4/1077; rear: 29.9/757
Shoulder room (in/mm): front: 56.9/1444; rear: 42.5/1080

Capacities:
Cargo volume (cu ft/L): 11.3/320
Fuel tank (gal/L): 19/71.9
Engine oil (qt/L): 3.6L: 7.6/7.2; 6.2L: 8.9/8.5

Erez 07-21-2008 04:55 PM

disappointing.. but easily fixable..

HeilSvenska 07-22-2008 07:20 PM

SS 'Ring time: ~8:20
...if you're pedantic enough to be interested.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=129586

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SS enjoys essentially the software from the Corvette's magnificent Active Handling system that we insist remains the world standard in performance-oriented stability control. The Camaro SS stability control will have a track mode, a performance mode and a setting that fully disables stability and traction control. Stability/traction control for all Camaros can be fully disabled, but Camaro SSs with the six-speed manual also get a launch control feature.

someguy509 07-31-2008 01:52 AM

Looks nice, depending on how adjustable it is from the factory (camber and the like) it could be a decent AutoX car, if a bit on the heavy side. I wonder where the SCCA will class this...

ferrarif1fan89 07-31-2008 06:38 AM

Outclasses the Challenger in every way, I like it!

79TA 08-13-2008 02:49 AM

It bothers me that despite this news being out for a while now that Road and Track managed to get it wrong in their most recent issue. They say the Camaro comes in two trim levels, RS and SS . . . yeaa, not sure how they messed that up.

I'm really happy with how the car turned out. Most of the "Corvette spice" and other things that bothered me in the concept did not make it to production. I am, however, dissappointed in the weight. I was hoping for more of a 3550 number. Oh well, one can atleast do some weight trimming on his own.

79TA 08-13-2008 03:30 AM

I'm interested to see what the non-RS Camaros look like exactly

HeilSvenska 08-13-2008 03:33 AM

And the RS/SS versions!

79TA 08-13-2008 03:49 AM

The V6, or more specifically LS or LT, can come with or without the RS looks package just like the SS can come with or without it. I guess I'll just have to wait to see.

HeilSvenska 08-13-2008 04:06 AM

The press release says the RS Package is for both the V6 LT model and the SS model. There's no word on whether or not there will be an official RS/SS moniker though.

HeilSvenska 10-13-2008 11:11 AM

General Motors has finally announced pricing for the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro, both in V6-equipped LS trim and the V8-powered SS model. The sticker for the LS will start at $22,995, while the SS commands $30,995. Both prices include the $750 destination charge and you can officially order yours today, October 13th.

silentm 10-14-2008 03:55 PM

umm what is a destination charge? do they charge you money to get to the dealer??? (of course not but that came to my mind first ;) )

79TA 10-14-2008 04:57 PM

I love how Car and Driver was speculating that the V6 model would have a base price of 25k and still be competitive given that it is clearly more car than the Mustang or Challenger V6 models.

A V6 5th gen would be a thoroughly solid car for all purposes. It's even tempting me (although I'm not in the market for a new car) but a Camaro really does need a V8 for the full Camaro experience.

Now about that curb weight . . .

HeilSvenska 10-14-2008 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentm (Post 856325)
umm what is a destination charge? do they charge you money to get to the dealer??? (of course not but that came to my mind first ;) )

Yeah. That's exactly what it is.

79TA 10-14-2008 05:52 PM

I'd take an RS, but I'd have to dump those 20" wheels . . . just too large for my tastes, especially when the largest wheel on any of my current cars is 15".

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silentm 10-15-2008 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeilSvenska (Post 856340)
Yeah. That's exactly what it is.

hmm i think you misunderstand, i meant it this way: they charge you money because you have to go to the dealer... that doesn't make any sense of course.

just googled it, so it's a general fee that the manufacturer sets for each car to reflect the amount of money needed for the car to be delivered to the dealer...

HeilSvenska 10-15-2008 02:01 PM

^The funny thing about destination charge is that it's uniform everywhere. Whether you live in Detroit, LA, or Honolulu, you pay the same destination charge. Does it make sense? No.

philip 10-15-2008 11:37 PM

Kinda interesting how the muscle cars cost about 10 times the orginals price. Minimum wage was about $1.50 back then. I guess wages have not kept up with inflation. But then these cars are just as powerful and get alot better than 10mpg.

10000rpmlover 10-16-2008 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentm (Post 856325)
umm what is a destination charge? do they charge you money to get to the dealer??? (of course not but that came to my mind first ;) )

I have asked myself that question, I would like to know what that is exactly

I have finally decided on the car that I am getting as my first new car since buying my RX-7 in 1994, I am going to buy a new camaro, out right, I will wait for it to become available, I have 27 grand saved up, just for this purpose, if I have to wait 1 more year, no matter, I will most likely have 30,000 by then, so I hope no financing, (I financed my RX-7 while I was still going thru college in 94' it was the worst mistake ever, and I ended up paying lots of interest and working 2 jobs) yes I am happy to still own my Mazda and frankly it is the best car I have ever had but I love this new camaro, I saw the transformers one in the flesh 2 weeks ago on a trip that my employer sent me to the studios where the 2nd film is being made, I love it

if you ask me why I am not going to buy a mazda, since they sign my paycheck, well it is all on taste, while everything coming out of mazda is nice, it is just not my style I hope no one in my office is reading this but I was very very ticked off at the idea of not turbo charging the RX-8's renesis, it is a solid rotary and frankly it can take lots of extra pressure, more than the old 13b while still being reliable, anyways, I like the camaro, it looks aggresive and classy at the same time and it sounds cool, that v8 clack is aural metallic orgasm, at this point in my life, balding, middle aged, this is what I need :laugh:

PS, if they do make a firechicken based on this I may be forced to get that

pitfield 10-16-2008 11:16 AM

In the U.K. customers are charges for delivery.

79TA 10-16-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 10000rpmlover (Post 856502)
PS, if they do make a firechicken based on this I may be forced to get that

^ If only . . .

Anyway, any idea what you'd order for a package then? I'm kind of sold on the Aqua Blue Metallic (RS/SS of course). And off topic, do you have any pics of that RX7? :-)

silentm 10-16-2008 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10000rpmlover (Post 856502)
I have asked myself that question, I would like to know what that is exactly

if you ask teh answerbag it says this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by answerbag
The destination charge is intended to reflect the average cost of shipping the vehicle from its point of manufacture to the final selling location. Most manufacturers "standardize" this fee, which means that the destination charge will be the same whether you bought the car across the street from the assembly plant, or 3000 miles away.

why even bring this up on the pricing list or whatever you call it? this is just stupid... i have never ever heard of this in germany or elsewhere:thumbdown:

10000rpmlover 10-18-2008 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 79TA (Post 856542)
^ If only . . .

Anyway, any idea what you'd order for a package then? I'm kind of sold on the Aqua Blue Metallic (RS/SS of course). And off topic, do you have any pics of that RX7? :-)


I got a couple of pics from sevenstock, I have gone there for the past 2 years in a row, I will have to check if they are still in the camera when the wife gets home, she took the camera to a birthday party for her niece

about the camaro, I am with SS trim, I don't care for leather but if it is only option then ok, black leather and black for the outside with the SS stripes in silver or white of course to complement the black rims, machined lip that I am definitely putting on it

kach22i 10-20-2008 09:44 AM

Spotted 10/20/08 in Ann Arbor, east bound on Hill Street just off of Main street;
2009-2010 Camaro, black on black, headlights on as the sun was just starting to come up at 8:00 AM.

Does not look like it weighs two tons like a Challenger. Does not come off as a mid-sized or full sized car like the Mustang.

It's nice, will steal many Mustang people away.

Low to the ground like a sports car.................did I say I like it?

I like it.


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