There is some talk that the Nordschleife (sp?), aka "North Loop" of the Nurburgring race course might be included in GT4 or some future version of Gran Turismo kind of like part of Pikes Peak was in GT2. Imagine pounding through the 14.8 mile course in some of the world's most exotic machinery...at least it's an attainable goal...not everyone can have a Lambo in real life