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Old 07-01-2006, 02:09 AM   #1
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SALEM, Ore. - Two green Adopt-A-Highway signs reading "American Nazi Party" have popped up on a rural road a few miles from downtown Salem, and it's got people upset with the county for agreeing to put up the signs and worried about their neighborhood.

"I know we live in a free world. But that's not part of freedom, anything to do with the Nazis," said Barbara Hamblin, a 64-year-old who lives in a mobile home park just down the road from one of the signs.

"They had to have been off their rocker," she said.

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The two signs were erected by Marion County road crews earlier this week, costing taxpayers $250 each.

County officials said they know people are upset. But free-speech guarantees in the Constitution prevented them from turning down the person who signed the American Nazi Party up with the local Adopt-A-Highway program.

"Our hands are pretty much tied from a legal standpoint," said Marion County Commissioner Patti Milne. "This has been very difficult, but the bottom line is they are entitled to participate."

"We can't pick and choose what parts of the constitution to follow," said Milne, a former Republican state legislator.

Marion County put up the signs after a person named C. Marchand applied for a permit under which the American Nazi Party agreed to help clean up the road.

A person answering the phone at the number given on the permit application said "maybe" when asked if he was Marchand.

He declined to make any further comment, referring inquiries to a Jim Ramm, who has previously been identified in news reports as leader of the Tualatin Valley Skins, a white-supremacist group that has been active in the Willamette Valley. No listing could be found for Ramm.

County officials said they got about a dozen complaints about the signs as of mid-Thursday afternoon, and more were coming in after their existence was broadcast on TV news.

The applicants for the sign may have been borrowing an idea from the Ku Klux Klan.

Earlier this month, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that free-speech rights prevent Missouri from barring the Klan from participating in that state's Adopt-A-Highway program.

Out on Salem's Sunnyview Road, someone expressed their views about the two signs by bending one of them in half.

The sign is near a house where Patti Buetler lives, practically in her yard.

Buetler said she had called county officials about the sign. "I don't want to get myself involved in this. All I want is for it to not be in my yard," she said. Buetler may get her wish.

County officials say the vandalized sign will be replaced, but only if the permit applicant pays for a new one.

"If they want to replace it, the Nazi Party will have to pay," said Dan Estes, spokesman for the county commissioners.

He said that is standard policy - the county erects the signs at its expense the first time but charges organizations to replace them if they are vandalized or stolen.

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Old 07-01-2006, 02:28 AM   #2
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Unfortunately, the 1st Amendment creates the kind of loophole that allows the kind of people we kicked the shit out of in 1944 to make it known they are around, right here in the US. Problem is, i don't think there'd be any way in hell anyone would allow Al Qaeda to put up a sign.

I say someone needs to destroy the other sign as well. And every sign put up after that. :roll:
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Old 07-01-2006, 02:34 AM   #3
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kind of sad though. the Neo Nazi's in Portland were assholes. theyd drive around with baseball bats and try to do every colored guys head in (including asians)
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Old 07-01-2006, 02:37 AM   #4
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The funny thing about neo nazi's, they're actually self loathers who act out against everyone else.
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Old 07-01-2006, 03:01 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by ZfrkS62
Unfortunately, the 1st Amendment creates the kind of loophole that allows the kind of people we kicked the shit out of in 1944 to make it known they are around, right here in the US. Problem is, i don't think there'd be any way in hell anyone would allow Al Qaeda to put up a sign.

I say someone needs to destroy the other sign as well. And every sign put up after that. :roll:
Well....while I don't think that people would take kindly to the idea of an Al Qaeda adopt-a-highway sign, I think it would otherwise probably be perfectly legal and acceptable.

I worked for a lawyer in St. Louis a couple of summers ago. He's an interesting guy, very Jewish, and makes no effort to hide it (and yes, this plays a part in the story, I'm not being prejudiced as I'm Jewish myself). The Missouri chapter of the Ku Klux Klan decided they wanted to adopt a highway as well. The state told them that they wouldn't allow it based on what the group stands for and the moral standards it supports. My boss prosecuted for the KKK and won them the right to adopt the piece fo road they wanted. So, basically, what I'm trying to say is that despite the fact that it may be an odious group of people who've done heinous things, the US Bill of Rights and Constitution provide for various freedoms including expression and thus it is not OK to bar certain people or certain groups from adopting a highway or sponsoring time on public radio or TV.
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Old 07-01-2006, 09:01 AM   #6
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I'm with Vanquish, I disagree it is a loophole. I think every one of these people should rot in hell.. But I don't think we should be deciding what is free speech and what isn't. It is a slippery slope once you start down it (look at france's recent legislation for good examples.) Other people need to turn the other cheek and ignore them.. At that point what does it matter where their name is.
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^ dont' get me wrong, i'm not saying they should be given Social Group of the Year Awards, but it's the 1st Amendment that gives them the right to express what they want. Sure, i'd rather see these sick fucks picking up litter on a chain gang, but you can't tell me you wouldn't get some kind of sick satisfaction out of seeing them do one decent thing for the community.
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Old 07-01-2006, 12:11 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by bmw06m6
Well if they turn up in Poland then we have a problem.
no joke i don't think they'll get within 300 miles of the border

They can think what they want, but thanks to WW2 their party will never be taken seriously. Evolution will eventually weed them all out anyway.
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