What's up whit the cheap ferrari's

[pagani]

I have just been surfing a german car trading site.
And some the ferrari's on like the 456 gt are very under 50,000 euro
s normal people can buy one.
Here are some example's
http://www.mobile.de/SIDgknM0tPVU3x....&doSearch.y=19
:shock: 8)

[sameerrao]

456s are quite cheap to buy in the US - the early ones are around $60K and the later ones are close to $90K. Some of the reasons are: 1) Elegant but sedate styling 2) 4 seater are not the usual thing Ferrari buyers are looking for.

Thus they are great bargains.

They are great GT cars with 190mph capabilities and decent rear seat room - better than a M3 for instance. I think there is something that can go wrong with the window units that cost a few thousand dollars to fix. Engine is pretty reliable like the 550 Maranello.

[pagani]

Originally Posted by sameerrao 456s are quite cheap to buy in the US - the early ones are around $60K and the later ones are close to $90K. Some of the reasons are: 1) Elegant but sedate styling 2) 4 seater are not the usual thing Ferrari buyers are looking for. Thus they are great bargains. They are great GT cars with 190mph capabilities and decent rear seat room - better than a M3 for instance. I think there is something that can go wrong with the window units that cost a few thousand dollars to fix. Engine is pretty reliable like the 550 Maranello.

So i normal person can buy one and keep it on the road whit out to much problems.

[e46drew]

yes, go and pick one up today

[e46drew]

ho, you want insurance too :cry:

[pagani]

Originally Posted by e46drew ho, you want insurance too :cry:

Maby one day i will do this.
Don't have the money nor the drives lincense.
8)

[HeilSvenska]

Originally Posted by insane I guess the catch is, that while it's easy to buy it'll cost a load to maintain. I'd rather buy a Porsche.

Nah. When you get a $60K Porsche, you're going to run into (relatively) high maintenance cost anyways. Besides, no Porsche comes with a V12 engine or that beautiful Pininfarina body.

[pagani]

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas One for 38,000€ is a bargain... cheaper than a Impreza WRX - and for the same price you get a 4-seater Ferrari GT with a big classy V12 engine, something that still impresses in Monaco. Where do I sign? 8)

And than swap the engine and enzo and the gearbox of the 599 gtb into the enginebay of the 456 gt.
Rebuild and tweak the supension and fit larger bigger brakes and than it can holds it own agains the newer ferrari's.
8)

[gangajas]

Originally Posted by pagani Originally Posted by dani_d_mas One for 38,000€ is a bargain... cheaper than a Impreza WRX - and for the same price you get a 4-seater Ferrari GT with a big classy V12 engine, something that still impresses in Monaco. Where do I sign? 8) And than swap the engine and enzo and the gearbox of the 599 gtb into the enginebay of the 456 gt. Rebuild and tweak the supension and fit larger bigger brakes and than it can holds it own agains the newer ferrari's. 8)

Then is not cheap anymore.

[acmarttin]

If it came down to about $90 grand for a later 456 or 355 I'd have the 355. But on ebay motors US there are some earlier 355's for around $70k US.

[sameerrao]

Originally Posted by pagani Originally Posted by sameerrao 456s are quite cheap to buy in the US - the early ones are around $60K and the later ones are close to $90K. Some of the reasons are: 1) Elegant but sedate styling 2) 4 seater are not the usual thing Ferrari buyers are looking for. Thus they are great bargains. They are great GT cars with 190mph capabilities and decent rear seat room - better than a M3 for instance. I think there is something that can go wrong with the window units that cost a few thousand dollars to fix. Engine is pretty reliable like the 550 Maranello. So i normal person can buy one and keep it on the road whit out to much problems.

Maybe or maybe not.

Purchasing cost: - The car is nearly fully depreciated - so you won't lose money when you get rid of it.

Maintenance cost: Could be Russian Roulette here - you either get a Toyota kind of reliability or a troublesome car. Need to do a proper inspection to figure out if something can go wrong - spend good money on this. The engine is understressed - so it shouldn't be an issue. The car had adjustable dampers - so potentially a troublesome area. Budget about $7-10K for 5 years of maintenance. Just dont get in accident - the bodywork is $$$$-$$$$$

Insurance - Check how much it costs. You might be pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if it is cheaper than a new E420 MBZ.

So net-net if you have a 456 that is reasonably reliable and do not crash it, you would be financially better off over 5 years of ownership than if you bought a new M3 or S4 or Cayman for example. The depreciation in the latter cars will kill you.

[novass]

Originally Posted by sameerrao Maintenance cost: Could be Russian Roulette here - you either get a Toyota kind of reliability or a troublesome car. Need to do a proper inspection to figure out if something can go wrong - spend good money on this. The engine is understressed - so it shouldn't be an issue. The car had adjustable dampers - so potentially a troublesome area. Budget about $7-10K for 5 years of maintenance. Just dont get in accident - the bodywork is $$$$-$$$$$

Exactly what I was going to say. Second hand Ferraris can be hit and miss, especially the more affordable ones. Before even considering buying one you should have a thorough pre-buy inspection done by a reputable mechanic and make sure the previous owner took all the proper maintenance steps.

Parts can be ridiculously expensive and also hard to find. Even for a newer car like the 456, parts aren't always going to be readily available. In my 3 years of working on Ferraris, I saw some insane parts prices and had tons of trouble locating certain items. An example of this was on a 355. One of our customers purchased a 355 and had it towed to us to do a detail. While the tow truck driver was lowering it off of the flatbed, the tow cable snapped dropping the car to the ground cracking the bell housing and damaging the rear bumper. The bumper wasn't too bad so it wasn't too expensive to fix. The bell housing on the other hand was a different story. Ferrari had stopped making the bell housing and the only one we could find was off of a salvaged car in New York and ended up costing about $4,000. Granted in this situation the tow truck company paid the bill but it is a good example of how quickly an "affordable" Ferrari can suddenly become not so affordable.

You also have to be a little careful with buying things from Ferrari themselves. A few good examples of this can be found on a 550 Maranello. The electronic seat adjustment buttons on a 550 are actually the same Bosch unit that comes on certain Audis. If you buy it from Ferrari, expect to pay $300-$400, if you buy it from Audi, expect to pay $100-$200 (not sure if they still cost the same as when I was buying them). A little research into the actual part number can go a long way especially if it was made by another company other than the car's manufacturer. Want a new shift knob for your 550? Be willing to pay close to $1,500 for it then. Thats right. $1,500 for a shift knob. Why? I guess they don't want kids in Hondas to put them on their car :bah: My suggestion is to shop outside of the Ferrari house for parts.

So long story short, yes you can buy a Ferrari at a reasonable cost but do your homework and budget some money for maintenance like sameerrao said.

[666fast]

The electronic seat adjustment buttons on a 550 are actually the same Bosch unit that comes on certain Audis.

The same thing happens between Porsche, Audi and VW. We sell a relay for VW's (can't remember which one) for about $30. Same damn relay with a Porsche part number, $100. :roll:

[RC45]

Originally Posted by 666fast The electronic seat adjustment buttons on a 550 are actually the same Bosch unit that comes on certain Audis. The same thing happens between Porsche, Audi and VW. We sell a relay for VW's (can't remember which one) for about $30. Same damn relay with a Porsche part number, $100. :roll:

At least they upgraded to using Audi parts... in years gone by you woul dswear a Ferrari were just V12 Fiat by looking at the eletric bits

[JoeHahn]

Originally Posted by 666fast The electronic seat adjustment buttons on a 550 are actually the same Bosch unit that comes on certain Audis. The same thing happens between Porsche, Audi and VW. We sell a relay for VW's (can't remember which one) for about $30. Same damn relay with a Porsche part number, $100. :roll:

Hey, its not all that bad - a 930 Turbo fuel pump can be fit onto an Audi quattro - the audi version being more expensive.