F430 6 speed true manual?

[Toronto]

Originally Posted by noliebro I am almost positive they will provide both

i don't see why not, their lastest car (612) comes in both, doesn't it?

[miurasv]

I just don't see how you could walk out of a ferrari dealership with an automotic. way to be.

[bmagni]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by nejcdolinsek its not as mediocre as a cheap automatic vette I wouldn't know - I have a short-shifter equipped 6 speed manual transmission.

neither u have an f1 paddle shift f430 or 360, then how do u know its mediocre ???
:roll:

[RC45]

Originally Posted by bmagni Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by nejcdolinsek its not as mediocre as a cheap automatic vette I wouldn't know - I have a short-shifter equipped 6 speed manual transmission. neither u have an f1 paddle shift f430 or 360, then how do u know its mediocre ??? :roll:

Have you driven one? How would you know it wasn't?

[bmagni]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by bmagni Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by nejcdolinsek its not as mediocre as a cheap automatic vette I wouldn't know - I have a short-shifter equipped 6 speed manual transmission. neither u have an f1 paddle shift f430 or 360, then how do u know its mediocre ??? :roll: Have you driven one? How would you know it wasn't?

u didnt answer my question...

[RC45]

Originally Posted by bmagni Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by bmagni Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by nejcdolinsek its not as mediocre as a cheap automatic vette I wouldn't know - I have a short-shifter equipped 6 speed manual transmission. neither u have an f1 paddle shift f430 or 360, then how do u know its mediocre ??? :roll: Have you driven one? How would you know it wasn't? u didn't answer my question...

OK - this is why I don't like street based paddle shift systems.

In the street situation where a car has perhaps 2 to 3 turns lock to lock, you are faced with paddles that cover about 60 degrees of arc at each hand position.

Feeding the wheels hand to hand may place the shift paddle out of your hand position in bends where you may select a gear while mid turn (slower speed situations) and now you either face shifting at a different time or moving your hand to an un-natural position in order to shift.

This is not an issue with say a F1 car that has low ratio steering..

In summation - observe how clumsy the paddle shift cars fare against their stick shift siblings in the Best Motoring battle.. M3 vs M3 vs Ferrar vs Ferrari vs EVO vs EVO for a practical demonstration how out of place paddles are on high ratio steering systems.

That is a semi-technical explanation... the gut reaction is that real drivers shift with a stick..

[Toronto]

Originally Posted by RC45 This is not an issue with say a F1 car that has low ratio steering..

its good to know that you know nothing about an F1 car wheel

Feeding the wheels hand to hand may place the shift paddle out of your hand position in bends where you may select a gear while mid turn (slower speed situations) and now you either face shifting at a different time or moving your hand to an un-natural position in order to shift.

BULLSHIT - if you have to shift in a turn with a h-gate you have to take one hand of the wheel and shit, you can do the same in a paddle shift car so it doesn't change anything now does it, it is even safer on a paddle shit car because two hands are on the wheel more of the time due to the shorter distance between the paddle shift and the wheel, vs. the wheel and the location fo the h-gate.

as the the out of place bullshit, if you drive the car every day you would get a feel for the car, so it might feel bad if you only have driven it once, but if you drive it offten you would get a feel for it

as for the best motoring battle it all comes down to the driver

[RC45]

Originally Posted by toronto Originally Posted by RC45 This is not an issue with say a F1 car that has low ratio steering.. its good to know that you know nothing about an F1 car wheel

OK wise ass.. how many turns lock to lock is on a F1 car?

Originally Posted by toronto Feeding the wheels hand to hand may place the shift paddle out of your hand position in bends where you may select a gear while mid turn (slower speed situations) and now you either face shifting at a different time or moving your hand to an un-natural position in order to shift. BULLSHIT - if you have to shift in a turn with a h-gate you have to take one hand of the wheel and shit, you can do the same in a paddle shift car so it doesn't change anything now does it, it is even safer on a paddle shit car because two hands are on the wheel more of the time due to the shorter distance between the paddle shift and the wheel, vs. the wheel and the location fo the h-gate.

Now you are just sucking actual excrement right out of your arse to justify your point of view.

If what I point out was not a problem - many WRC cars would not have shift rings around the entire steering wheel.

Paddles are just a gimmick.. pure and simple -

I have once again proven that you Tifosi simply object to anyone who doesn't worship the prancing horse.

You speak with such conviction as if you are the only person privy to the ultimate proof.

:roll:

Originally Posted by toronto as the the out of place bullshit, if you drive the car every day you would get a feel for the car, so it might feel bad if you only have driven it once, but if you drive it offten you would get a feel for it as for the best motoring battle it all comes down to the driver

No it doesn't - have you seen the comparison in question?

[Toronto]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by toronto Originally Posted by RC45 This is not an issue with say a F1 car that has low ratio steering.. its good to know that you know nothing about an F1 car wheel OK wise ass.. how many turns lock to lock is on a F1 car?

OK wise ass.. look at an F1 steering wheel, look at were the paddles are?

If what I point out was not a problem - many WRC cars would not have shift rings around the entire steering wheel. Paddles are just a gimmick.. pure and simple

have you watched a modern WRC race? many of them don't have h-gates, simply they are a waste of time, they a what is almost the same has paddles in a WRC, mayb you should read the FIA rules on rally cars.

mayb you should "Go read a book before you make a post in this thread again.

You are completely wrong."

[styla21]

Whooop, RC has been challenged again, this is going to get ugly. What sort of an effect does 'adaptive steering', like on some of the new bmw's have if you using with paddle shifters? Because it's no longer a case of 2 1/2 turns for full lock, more like 1? Also RC, the awkwardness caused by using a paddle can be compensated with the incredible shift times, an example i AM familar with is the 80ms on the m3. I doubt that's possible with a conventional stick shift, right?

[RC45]

Originally Posted by toronto Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by toronto Originally Posted by RC45 This is not an issue with say a F1 car that has low ratio steering.. its good to know that you know nothing about an F1 car wheel OK wise ass.. how many turns lock to lock is on a F1 car? OK wise ass.. look at an F1 steering wheel, look at were the paddles are?

You never answered my question...

Originally Posted by toronto If what I point out was not a problem - many WRC cars would not have shift rings around the entire steering wheel. Paddles are just a gimmick.. pure and simple have you watched a modern WRC race? many of them don't have h-gates,

Are first stupid then a Canadian? Or first a Canadian then stupid?

I did not mention anything about an h-gate on WRC ... I mentioned full circle shift rings.. :roll:

Originally Posted by toronto simply they are a waste of time, they a what is almost the same has paddles in a WRC, mayb you should read the FIA rules on rally cars. mayb you should "Go read a book before you make a post in this thread again. You are completely wrong."

No I have once again proven that youth has again runs it's mouth off thinking it knows everything...

[RC45]

Originally Posted by styla21 Whooop, RC has been challenged again, this is going to get ugly. What sort of an effect does 'adaptive steering', like on some of the new bmw's have if you using with paddle shifters? Because it's no longer a case of 2 1/2 turns for full lock, more like 1?

Thats all very well - but the vehicles we are addressing are not so equipped.

We have gone over the "what if" a million time..

Unless you mean like mine that has had speed sensitive steering for going on 4 years now..

Originally Posted by styla21 Also RC, the awkwardness caused by using a paddle can be compensated with the incredible shift times, an example i AM familar with is the 80ms on the m3. I doubt that's possible with a conventional stick shift, right?

And exactly what does this 80ms shift give YOU?

Nothing.

Doesn't give you a better 1/4 time.. doesn't give you a better top end.. hell, doesn't even get you around a bend any quicker..

You can't even use a stick shift it's ultimate.. so why fuck with yet anothet gimmick that will remove you from the visceral experience of driving..?

p.s. What happened to the F430 6-speed discussion? You clowns are so easy to set off..

[Caps8419]

can you shut the hell up for one minute? christ! someone get TT to open a subforum called" bitch at just about everything so you think you look cool" moderator rc45. christ dude let people converse in these topics you dont see me f**ing around in your american car section do you? no... ive never stepped foot in there. so unless you have anything interesting/ informational to say, shut the hell up. "us tifosi" dont wanna hear ur bull crap.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by caps8419 can you shut the hell up for one minute? christ! someone get TT to open a subforum called" bitch at just about everything so you think you look cool" moderator rc45. christ dude let people converse in these topics you dont see me f**ing around in your american car section do you? no... ive never stepped foot in there. so unless you have anything interesting/ informational to say, shut the hell up. "us tifosi" dont wanna hear ur bull crap.

Touchy touchy touchy.

It appears all the 20 somethings are really angry at the world.

In other words - kiss my ass

[Toronto]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by toronto Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by toronto Originally Posted by RC45 This is not an issue with say a F1 car that has low ratio steering.. its good to know that you know nothing about an F1 car wheel OK wise ass.. how many turns lock to lock is on a F1 car? OK wise ass.. look at an F1 steering wheel, look at were the paddles are? You never answered my question...

ok yes there is less lock, but that has nothing to do with the paddles, in the first semi-auto cars in F1, the wheels had the same amount of lock as all the other cars (2 1/2) this has gone down the last 14 years, but the location fo the paddles didn't, so mayb b4 you start talking about paddle shifting and lock and how "bad" it is, mayb you should look at the fuckin wheel of an f1 car, and see the difference between it an a enzo or a 360

the paddle shift on the f1 works better then on a road car, yes that is true, but it has nothing to do with lock at all.

RC you know nothing about F1 (if so very little) you thought they use active suspension, you think that lock on the wheel affects the paddle shifts, you think the paddle shift slows down the track time, or doesn't have an effect at all, well it does. YOUR WRONG, ask any F1 driver, all of them think the paddle "shit" works, you think some wanna b'Redneck is going to prove ferrari's formula wrong?