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Old 07-05-2004, 02:18 PM   #16
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I didnt get clear something, who wins?? an F16 or F15 or this planes???

I guess the F16 and F15 isnt it??
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Old 07-05-2004, 02:23 PM   #17
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Round the race course in reno no jet plane wins.
In a straight line the jets win.
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Old 07-05-2004, 05:46 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by pagani
Round the race course in reno no jet plane wins.
In a straight line the jets win.
lol .... ryt ryt ...
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Old 07-05-2004, 07:03 PM   #19
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very nice plane must be very nice to drive one.
the jet is the fastest not the best to turn.
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Old 07-05-2004, 07:10 PM   #20
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It's the world fastest motorsport.
Even if you disqualified fighter planes because they arent used in a sport, the bonneville salt flat runs would beat this.
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Old 07-06-2004, 01:40 AM   #21
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most people don't know that propellers lose their efficiency as they approach the speed of sound. thats why they went to turbines and whatnot
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Old 07-06-2004, 11:45 AM   #22
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I kown jets are faster i straight line but piston engine fighters/racers corner better and have no trottle lag.
Jets have lag.
For a real petrol head like planes like dago red and rare bear are much cooler!!
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Old 07-06-2004, 11:49 AM   #23
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have ya seen the video in which a harrier races a saab on the topgeat test track ..... i bet P-51 cant beat the harrier .... the only plane tht can beat it is Extra ....

anywayz ... jets and props cant be compared in any way ...
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Old 07-06-2004, 11:52 AM   #24
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Yes jets and wII fighters are diffrent but 850 km/h for a plane of the 40's is still fast!!
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Old 07-06-2004, 12:15 PM   #25
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these planes are modified arnt they .... riced to be exact .. but in a good way ...
anyway the fastest mustang in WWII was F-28 twin mustang it could only goto 750 km/p ....
the plane that you are talking about isnt from WWII ... it was manufactures again for motor sports and all .... the plane is not from the 40's ...... lier

i not offending ya or nething .... what my point is that the plane isnt from the 40's its got a new engine beter structure ..better meterial .. better air flow ..... thats y it gets to 850 ...

but still its kewl ... i love planes .. 8) 8) 8)
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Old 07-06-2004, 02:45 PM   #26
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The base plane is from the 40's.
But it's highly modified!!
Faster then ever.
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Old 07-06-2004, 03:03 PM   #27
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but there is new kid on the block wildfire.
After twenty-eight years in development, Wildfire is set to debut at the 2004 Reno Air Races.
The concept of Wildfire originated in the middle to late 1970s. A small group of people who had been involved in the various classes of air racing over the years felt it was time to do something really original in the Unlimited Air Racing Class.

At the time, the group was involved in racing a stock P-51 Mustang called “Candyman,” but the stock airplane was not competitive. Two options were open for consideration. Either the P-51 could be modified to make it competitive, or an entirely new approach could be undertaken.

The changes required to make the Candyman Mustang competitive were formidable. The wing, airframe and engine would have to be highly modified to increase the power and reduce the drag.

Two other important factors influenced the decision. First, the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine seemed to have reached its structural limit in air racing. The Merlins were also becoming excessively expensive, because sources of supply for engines and parts were limited. Secondly, the stock two-place P-51 had a high resale value without modification. The decision was therefore made to sell Candyman and to start from scratch with a new airplane.

The design philosophy for the new airplane was based on experience and on the availability of modern aerodynamic technology. It was felt that future pylon races would not be won on power alone, but on a combination of power, low drag and light weight. These factors could all be provided in a new design.

The engine chosen for the new airplane was the Pratt & Whitney R2800-97W, because it is rugged, reliable and available. The new airplane would have a completely new wing and tail. However, since the fuselage diameter would be dictated by the engine diameter, it was decided that it would be expedient to use a T-6 fuselage tubular structure frame and aft semi-monocoque shell, both highly modified structurally for the basic fuselage.

With the design philosophy established, preliminary airplane design layouts were prepared and construction began in the spring of 1975. A T-6, without engine, outer wing panels, tail and canopy was purchased in February 1975 and was completely disassembled. Simultaneously, using all volunteer labor, the fuselage tubular frame was substantially modified at Van Nuys Airport. The aft fuselage was re-skinned and reinforced in one garage, the new tail assembly was underway in another garage, and the landing gear struts were completely overhauled.

When these parts were completed, they were mated in a rented building at Van Nuys Airport. The new wing center section was constructed and mated to the fuselage and a substantial part of the airplane structure was on its wheels. Work then proceeded with the construction of the engine mount, wing outer panels, removable fuselage panels, aircraft systems and instruments. During the entire construction period, two members of the crew worked two days and two nights each week, and the other four or five crew members worked two nights each week due to other employment.

The R-2800 engine was obtained by purchasing a Convair T-29 from an Air Force surplus auction in Arizona. Only the engines and propeller blades were eventually retained for use, and the remainder of the T-29 was resold. The two engines were used to make one complete rebuilt R-2800.

The airplane was rolled-out at Van Nuys in April of 1982. Later in that same year, the airplane was moved to a new hangar at the Mojave Airport on the high desert in Southern California, where it is currently based. After final assembly and testing, Wildfire completed a series of engine run-ups and high-speed taxi tests. The first flight occurred on October 20, 1983.

Shortly after the first flight, financial problems grounded the project. Late in 1999, Statler Air, a Limited Liability Company, was formed for the purpose of finishing the race plane project for the 2004 race season. The principles of Statler Air include William H. Statler, Manager of Design Engineering; William G. Statler, Manager of Production and Modifications; and Richard H. Statler, Business and Financial Manager.




http://www.wildfireairracing.com/
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Old 07-07-2004, 01:22 PM   #28
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Lets not forget the legend rad baron and some about the Rolls-royce Griffon
That has powered the famous red baron.





http://www.home.aone.net.au/shack_one/rolls.htm

http://www.aafo.com/racing/2001/rb51/

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Old 07-08-2004, 04:07 AM   #29
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You could think in the future air racing motorsports, could be using Scram Jets from Nasa lol.
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Old 07-08-2004, 02:29 PM   #30
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No don't like jets maby a high modded piston engine of turboshaft engine is a better idea.
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