the quickest production cars at Nardo

[mrzonda]

Whichever way you look at it, the Z-R1's achievement was impressive. I agree with that. However, the achievements of the other supercars are just as impressive. To move the game on up 40 km/h from 280 is a big step. Its not like going from 60km/h to 100, or even 160 to 200.

Consider how much money and time it takes an F1 team to improve by a few tenths per lap. Ya, it's a bit of an exaggeration, but it's the same idea.

Also, remember that drag increases with the square of the speed. With that comes cost increases, and the need for time to develop and test the technology.

So, like I said at the beginning of the post, the Z-R1's achievement is impressive. But the things that new supercars have done are just as, if not more impressive.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by mrzonda Whichever way you look at it, the Z-R1's achievement was impressive. I agree with that. However, the achievements of the other supercars are just as impressive. To move the game on up 40 km/h from 280 is a big step. Its not like going from 60km/h to 100, or even 160 to 200. Consider how much money and time it takes an F1 team to improve by a few tenths per lap. Ya, it's a bit of an exaggeration, but it's the same idea. Also, remember that drag increases with the square of the speed. With that comes cost increases, and the need for time to develop and test the technology. So, like I said at the beginning of the post, the Z-R1's achievement is impressive. But the things that new supercars have done are just as, if not more impressive.

Just as - not more.. as they are not running at 95%+ of their potential...

And this is not a Corvette thing... This is simply stating that the supercars of today should be able to do much better.

Perhaps this is the proof that the new generation are tuned up for bragging rights at launch time - but really are not that much better than cars of 10 years ago.

Case in point being just how good the Macca F1 was/is... it will be a long time before something eclipses that car - not just beats it by a little.. but thoroughly trounces it.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by everso Originally Posted by RC45 You dumb mother fucker.. I am saying that it was trounced. Never said otherwise. I am also saying that after 15 years these new cars better be able to post and beat these old records. I would suggest you learn how to c-o-m-m-u-n-i-c-a-t-e, asshat. The point is, after 15 years the new cars ARE beating the older cars, so what's the point of your post? to remind us that what's happening IS correct? LOL. jokes.

:roll:

[Vansquish]

Thanks for the track info

I completely understand the point of view RC45, the ZR-1 as a 375bhp vehicle in 1990 managing 280kph for 24 hours is a truly impressive feat. I'm not trying to sell it short, nor the more recent attempts at the record. The only thing I was trying to do was explain that the faster the cars go, the more they have to put up with, so in order to achieve something like 322kph for any extended period of time at Nardo, the car has to be able to maintain that sort of speed for lap after lap around a circular track which inherently scrubs speed off. In essence, the cars are running laps while understeering (or occasionally oversteering) nearly the whole way. If the ZR-1 was run at Nardo, no doubt it would still hit nearly 95% of its top speed, while the exotics would be significantly farther off that mark even if they did run 42kph faster than the Vette.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the track limits the possibilities enough that eventually it isn't really feasible to go any faster in any car. Until some enormous breakthroughs in Aerodynamics and tyre technology come up, it's unlikely we'll see anything much faster than 350 at Nardo.

Does anybody know where the 322kph number came from, all I can find is 7085.7km in 24 hours...which comes to 295.24kph on average.

Oh yes, and if you want a really stark comparison which shows how much tech has changed, look at the records for the bowl at MIRA in Britain:

"With a lap time of 1min 00.56 secs, the F1 comfortably exceeded the previous record of 161.655mph (260.15 km/h) set in April 1967 by the Jaguar XJ13 sports-racing prototype. The XJ13 — built with the express purpose of winning the Le Mans 24-hour endurance race — was driven by David Hobbs."

In other words, that lap by the Macca was run at a little over 168mph...

The VW Nardo looks a little more impressive now doesn't it, LOL hehehe.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by everso Originally Posted by Vansquish Does anybody know where the 322kph number came from, all I can find is 7085.7km in 24 hours...which comes to 295.24kph on average. the VW first broke the record with 295.24, then broke its own record again when it set 322 km/h. so there were 2 record times by it.

So they ran 2 24hr attempts?

Does anyone have an actualy link to these "record attempts" - and whose record? Guiness?

[RC45]

Oh - so these are not even production car records.. but prototype car records... :roll:

Next -- Nothing to see here -- Move on... let's see this repeated with production equipment.