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Old 12-02-2003, 12:39 PM   #16
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any suggestion for an eq/crossover apparatiusum?! i need 2 x 4 way stereo or 3 + 1 mono AND the eq, doesnt need to be all in 1 BUT does need to be at most around a K (1k) please!! Like 2 for a K not each (under )... i still need to buy shoes and stuff, oh and now i`ll have to get that lingerie... like freakin 200$ panties dam, 1 day i`ll ask for 100$ socks just to see what she comes up with hehehehe.... shit and then there's the Bra that HAS to match (color and pricey OF COURSE!)... Vive la Xmas... thank god it`s only once a year... :roll:
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Old 12-02-2003, 12:42 PM   #17
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most good amps have a built in crossover. if you are getting a rockford amp just get a rockford crossover if you want a separate one.
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Old 12-02-2003, 07:32 PM   #18
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Old 12-02-2003, 07:38 PM   #19
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Sorry but why would you want a woofer that can pick up 16hz frequencies in a car? I understand if you want to build your own speakers for home use and you listen to lots of jazz etc, but In a car its not needed imo.
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Old 12-02-2003, 09:10 PM   #20
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ooooh Rockford Fosgate subs go down 10 Hz ooooo

ooooh val somthing 18inch theather subs go down 8 oooo
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Old 12-03-2003, 12:00 AM   #21
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do you know about something called absolut earing ... if sound isnt near perfection it heritates me very much, yes it's so close to obsessive symptoms, now i`m sorry if you don't approve, really i do care so much about you both so fucking much i`m weeping and i might cry... then maybe i`ll have nightmares. Damn violent opposition from midiocrity. :fist:
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Old 12-03-2003, 12:12 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by X-ale
do you know about something called absolut earing ... if sound isnt near perfection it heritates me very much, yes it's so close to obsessive symptoms, now i`m sorry if you don't approve, really i do care so much about you both so fucking much i`m weeping and i might cry... then maybe i`ll have nightmares. Damn violent opposition from midiocrity. :fist:
I got only one question for you. What kind of music do you listen to in your car?
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:41 AM   #23
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Wtf does that have to do with anything?! Many genres but not so many sounds i tolerate, most problem comes from off pitch mids and trebles (specially voices), distortion also gives me uncomfortable goose bumps. i dig electric guitar like satriani but i much more prefer listening to pastorius, cant stand hendrix for the bad recording and the "experience". To be sure of no off tone i mainly listen to minimal (tech), french house, electro funk, trip hop, some psy/goa<-yes rarely theres something good. i love swing but big bands gets on my nerves fast. Same for jazz wind sections. Blues is ok for 30 mins or it gets like reggea and hellalot repetitive. You could say the same about electro but then it always depend on what it is. Classical is my root to everything. I bet when i say classic you think Mozart and etc. Check out the Villa-Lobos Lessons for classic guitar by a guy called Alvaro Pierri, now thats music!! Not just noise with a beat... What do you listen to?
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Old 01-06-2004, 07:14 PM   #24
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JL W7 have a couple patents on them and they are prolly the best non competition subs you can buy they are about 500 for a 12" i believe
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Old 01-07-2004, 04:54 AM   #25
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Yes, as silver said..

A sub with more WRMS will not neccearily run better than one with less. Depends on how it is boxed and the amount of power u are feeding it.

My suggestion, get a high quality sub such as Digital Designs or an Alpine Type R and use enclosure calculators to determine the perfect size box u need.
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Old 01-13-2004, 06:16 AM   #26
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If you're still considering a really audiophile setup, try the Focal Kevlar line, if you can find them in Canada, in combination with a Soundstream Rubicon Amp 550 model with active crossover. Will set you back about $2000 for a 1 Sub, 2 Mids, 2 Tweeter system.

http://www.speedsound.com/caraudio.a...cific=jqoqcmp0

http://www.focal.tm.fr/gb/sommaire.htm
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Old 02-01-2004, 03:36 AM   #27
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There are a few questionable suggestions and falsities in this thread. -Sorry i must correct Hope I don't appear too biased

Audiobahn - chrome plated, flashy, garbage. Definately NOT the way to go for sound quality.

i have a 250W ppi amp running a 10' sony xplod in a sealed box
That's a good amp, but don't be surprised when that sub fails or dies suddenly. I'm only warning you, not knocking you. So treat it nicely . Sony car audio is not what the name lives up to unfortunatly. Sony amps are pretty bad; Subs are better than their amps... but have a high death rate which is sad.

f u're doing something crazy like that dont forget capacitors if u want long playing hard hitting bass!
I'd really hate to say it, but you are so wrong it's not even funny. Capacitors can never be used to replace high output alternators and batteries. Power doesn't grow on trees; a capacitor only stores energy and releases this energy very quickly when needed to ease the alternator on a sudden strain. (it stabalizes the voltage system) Remember, a capacitor has to charge as well, so that in essence is like adding another amp to your system. Imagine that on an underachieving alternator. Capacitors are NOT the answers people! This can't be stressed enough. Capacitors work best for minor electrical problems such as headlights dimming slightly for a very brief time.

If you wanted earth shattering bass I would say get a JL W7 but you said clear bass so defiantely go with infinity
JL Audio makes some good stuff, but the W7's are a bit pricey. The reason they cost so much is because they have a few custom parts. A comparable sub is actually an Image Dynamics one. It's usually about $400 or so; sorry i can't remember the model ops:
Clear bass - Infinity ... eh... it's kind of up in the air there. The Infinity Perfect's are accurate subs, very accurate -I know, I have one. But also, they aren't loud enough at times honestly. A true clear sounding sub would be the Elemental Designs A-Series. Those blow Perfects away in every aspect.

Infinity Perfect component sets are good, but personally I believe CDT's are much better then followed by Dyn-Audio. Focal is under Dyn-Audio sound quality wise, but my complaint mostly is Focal's tweeters. They're too harsh for my tastes which goes the same for MB Quart.

its the volume of air in the box that determines how it hits and how it is sealed.
Well, it's the box design that determines its output. The volume of the inside will determine how much excursion the speaker has. So, in actuality, you would want a larger than recommended box if you are underpowering the sub by a good percent. So if you are overpowering a sub by a good bit (considering it isn't cooking the voice coils), you would want a box that limits the excursion enough to prevent damage to the speaker.

Good sound quality subs would include:
Image Dynamics
Elemental Designs
Resonant Engineering
Diamond Audio
Focal
MMats
Adire Audio
JL Audio (upper levels)

Amps:
Zapco (superb amps)
McIntosh (overthetop expensive)
Sinfoni
Xtant
Orion
Brax


Component sets:
Adire Audio (Koda's)
CDT
Focal
JL Audio
Infinity (Perfects)
Dyn-Audio
Rainbow

That's all I feel like saying for now

I'll say the headunits I'd consider if someone wants to know.



I mean no offence to anyone; this is my hobby and it's something I can't seem to want to know enough about.
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Old 02-01-2004, 03:52 AM   #28
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Originally Posted by TommyB86
Yes, as silver said..

A sub with more WRMS will not neccearily run better than one with less. Depends on how it is boxed and the amount of power u are feeding it.

My suggestion, get a high quality sub such as Digital Designs or an Alpine Type R and use enclosure calculators to determine the perfect size box u need.
You've almost got it! Due to the laws of physics, a 10 watt speaker can play as loudly as a 200 watt speaker, or even a 600 watt speaker for that matter. How you ask? If you are given that all of the above are powered with the same amount of power and given the exact same box/vehicle along with the same excursion and mass, the given energy will move the speaker just as far as each one making them all play at the same dB level. Power has become a marketing tool. So, rule of thumb, do not go by power ratings... EVER, that is unless you already have an amplifier and look to suit it's output.

The SPL created is 90% in the box rather than power. Power has minimal dB increase in a sub. You would need to double the power to increase your output by 3 dB.

Just remember to abide by the manufacturer's recommended internal volume. A speaker that was designed for a small enclosure will not play nearly as well as it would in a large one. If you put the speaker in too large of an enclosure, you will basically create a "free-air" speaker, or at least that is how the speaker will see it and behave accordingly. (free-air refers to a speaker... umm... without a true defined box so to speak)
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Old 02-01-2004, 10:56 AM   #29
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for sure....u do not need the punch two 12's (fack even two tens) are goin to deliver. go with one ten, two mids in the door panels two tweeters in the back, spend ur extra money on a good deck. 8)
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Old 02-01-2004, 01:48 PM   #30
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I prefer to have more subs just because of the impact they can create. I like to feel the bass
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