Manual or F1?

[SFDMALEX]

Any tranny that has a manual clutch over a clutcles pedal shit.

They say its fast. And it is, but this is a debatible subject. In F1 they are needed simply because of the insane speeds, were you dont have time to reach for a gear lever.

In road cars a true manual will be better and faster. If you take the 360F1 and a 360 with a normail manual and run them around the track the the 360m will be faster as long as the driver knows what he's doing.

A true manual simply offers heeps more control over the F1. Its hard to explain unless you try. Try race sims then you'll understand

In a true manual you can shift a few gears at the time, in F1 you got to go one by one and when braking this is a big minus.....

[jeroen40]

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX Any tranny that has a manual clutch over a clutcles pedal shit. They say its fast. And it is, but this is a debatible subject. In F1 they are needed simply because of the insane speeds, were you dont have time to reach for a gear lever. In road cars a true manual will be better and faster. If you take the 360F1 and a 360 with a normail manual and run them around the track the the 360m will be faster as long as the driver knows what he's doing. A true manual simply offers heeps more control over the F1. Its hard to explain unless you try. Try race sims then you'll understand In a true manual you can shift a few gears at the time, in F1 you got to go one by one and when braking this is a big minus.....

nothing to add....manual!

[nthfinity]

dont get me wrong, i love the enzo ferrari... and i wouldnt change anything about it.... BUT
the gated manuel is the best man machine interface out there, it puts your hand to the tires, left foot to power management, and right foot to power control... i seriously doubt you could go faster with exact same gear ratios, and rear end in a padle shift then with power shifting.
i do see the the advantage of the downshifting while breaking, there is no over use of throttle exiting the corners causing excessive oversteer.

[yugo]

The manual is more authenticate. The automatic is bad but of the gear box automatic of sports cars (BMW SMG, Audi DGS and Ferrari F-1) are wonderfull. The people that drive a good gear box automatic said is the best. This super automatic gear box spanish=(hacen el punto tacon por si solas, por lo que no pierdes nada de tiempo al entrar en una curva, porque te sube de vueltas antesde cambia de marcha para estar siempre altod e vueltas.)

[callen]

i think both are needed. on the track in an enzo ferrari u'll be glad u have the F1 transmission. IN a hyper car, it just makes sense this way u can get the most out of the car. and i have been reading reviews on the paddle shifter since the debut of the 360. over the years (from no personal experience, unfortunatly ) ive heard the paddles in the ferraris have gotten exponentially better. any other car than a ferrari. no paddles needed. i guess id take one in the stradale as well 8)
any other way i am taking a manual transmission on any car whenever it is available.

[brian]

honestly, I think the future of autosports will see CVT's rather than Manual or F1 style gearboxes.

[jeroen40]

Originally Posted by brian honestly, I think the future of autosports will see CVT's rather than Manual or F1 style gearboxes.

I share your thoughts, It slowly captures the market, honda and mercedes have them already, and other manufactures will follow quick..

[dylan99]

The two of them are great. With a manual you have more control to the car and with the most F1-paddles you get more of the car

[zevolv]

Originally Posted by jeroen40 Originally Posted by brian honestly, I think the future of autosports will see CVT's rather than Manual or F1 style gearboxes. I share your thoughts, It slowly captures the market, honda and mercedes have them already, and other manufactures will follow quick..

Audi had the first and I doubt racing will use them not enough control of the engine

[brian]

yeah right... what race car driver would want optimum power at all times?

[zevolv]

When you go into a corner you don't want full power you want to drop the revs.

[brian]

you can't let off the gas a little?

[zevolv]

not always that simple with a controlled gearbox you can get full power but control the speed which is very useful

[brian]

I don't think you know what you're talking about dude... sorry. How many CVT's have you driven?

[redbaron]

I prefer a manual, but I also like the proper F1-paddleshifts like DSG, SMG, Magnetti Marrelli F1. Someone ever tried a real sequential gearbox??

jeroen40 wrote: brian wrote: honestly, I think the future of autosports will see CVT's rather than Manual or F1 style gearboxes. I share your thoughts, It slowly captures the market, honda and mercedes have them already, and other manufactures will follow quick..

Williams had a prototype with CVT in 1993. Just after the first tests it was been forbidden by the FIA. A F1 car with CVT gives a really weird sound, at the start it climbs to its maximum revs and stays at maximum revs because there's no downshifting necessary for corners.