Disappointing result: BMW M5 sucks

[Max Power]

BMW suck bigtime. I better go and get drunk

Yo I am up for that

[adamk24]

The new M5 is to heavy, to softly sprung and really too ugly.... I was very very dissapointed with the test drive I got (from a freind at a BMW dealer). Interior was excellent, steering felt very crisp and the engine sounded increadable, but it was not the four door ferrari I was hoping it would be....

[tata1234]

Like everybody else I'm disappointed with the results of the M5 around the ring, but like some said before you can't compare, for example, a 911 with a sporty luxury sedan on a circuit, even if the M5 has more amount of power.

Just hope the new M6 and later on the M6 CSL, show us what BMW really can do.

By the way 0-100km/h in 4.5s is ridiculous fast for a sedan.

[coombsie66]

Im still holding out on my comments untill i actually have a ride in one. All this speculation about various times, IMO especially on a track like the NS, means shit. Untill you have a back to back, same driver, same track, same day i dont wanna hear it.

[Guibo]

M5 sucks because it didn't rip Porsches a new ass on one or two tracks? Try loading up the Porsches with 4 full-sized adults (and a couple of golf bags in the trunk), let them loose on the 'Ring, and then see how they fare. "That's not the point," you say? Exactly. The M5 is a 4-door sedan for god's sake. Sure, BMW spent hundreds/thousands of hours at the 'Ring developing it. But that's to ensure that it delivers the complete package in terms of handling, braking, and acceleration that people expect in a sports sedan of this caliber. If they were really out to set the lap record there, they sure as hell wouldn't have used a 2-ton sedan.
I've said this elsewhere and I'll say it again: 13-seconds on a 13-mile track that covers that much real estate, for cars driven in unknown conditions with different drivers doesn't amount to much. Sport Auto's Horst von Saurma knows the track like the back of his hand, and set a best of 7:50 with the Murcielago. Autocar editors, comparing a Focus RS with the Murcielago(?!), lapped the 'Ring largely for shits & giggles, and manage to knock nearly 7 seconds off von Saurma's time.
BMW drivers say they set an 8-minute lap...was that early on in testing, before other systems (not performance-related) were developed and finalized? Was that like the Dirk Schoysman 7:59 lap in the Skyline (done at the end of hundreds of laps, on tires that were probably worn down to near slicks)? Was that in ideal weather and track conditions? There are lots of variables there to consider; doen't mean BMW was over-billing the car. It just means that in their testing , they had acheived a time of 8 minutes at some point during developement.

Regarding the Hockenheim times, I'm showing the best M3 lap there was a measley 2/10ths quicker. Again, different test conditions can easily put the discrepancy in perspective. Also, the M3 has been tested there on other occasions, with 2 times of 1:17.6, and one 1:17.8. Who's to say that if the M5 gets retested like some other cars, it won't improve on its time. Anyway, the new M5 is 15 seconds quicker than the old M5 at the 'Ring, and 2.0 seconds quicker at Hockenheim. It's also 2.0 seconds quicker at Hockenheim than the current E55 AMG, a direct competitor.
In the end, though, how likely is it that an M5 owner is going to take an M5 to the track in search of lap time honors against Porsches/Ferraris/Benzes? More than likely, he'll come across an E55 or CLS55 or 997 or Corvette/Z06 out on the open highway, in which case the pure grunt of the M5 puts those other cars in their places. You'll need the likes of the GT2 or X50-equipped Turbo or SL65 to definitively beat the M5.

[coombsie66]

^^ I'd say that sums up my thoughts pretty nicely too! Just i couldnt be arsed to write that much!

[blah]

Originally Posted by RC45 -- too funny. And all thise people who were claiming the new M5 was going to be chasing down P911TT's and Z06's and the likes. It's a big friggen sedan with some power. Nothing more. It won't be surprising if the CTS-V's will be beating M5's on the street...

unless those CTS-Vs are modded, then no.

[Sir_GT]

Originally Posted by RC45 -- too funny. And all thise people who were claiming the new M5 was going to be chasing down P911TT's and Z06's and the likes. It's a big friggen sedan with some power. Nothing more. It won't be surprising if the CTS-V's will be beating M5's on the street...

First off what the hell is a P911TT???

Fact is that the new M5 destroys the current Porsche 911 (carrera S at that) in a straight line, all the way through to the derestricted top speed.

What I find funny is that people here are "disappointed" because the M5 didn't one-up the current crop of sports cars. In the first place, what for? You want an overgrown Evo 8 or something? go get one then. See how much luxury that thing will give you. (no offense to my good friend evowalo who has one, but even he would agree)

Simply put, the M5 raised the status quo for a super performance luxury vehicle. Until another car can seat 5 adults, play DVD's, while lapping the ring in about 8 minutes, then the M5 won't have any rivals.

As the road test in EVO magazine said: Its annihilation of the competition is so complete, that it almost goes beyond what it was designed for, nearly cracking that area of the atmosphere being inhabited by supercars.
In the realm of luxury sports sedans, it renders the E55 and the RS6 to mere surplus.

Here, the M5 stands alone.

[blah]

How does the Quattroporte do today? I went to the Ferrari dealer today and saw one. That thing is huge i never knew how big it was, but its interior is kidna shitty. Also P911TT = Porsche 911 Twin Turbo.

[ZfrkS62]

granted i wish the M5 would have had a higher limiter than the 155MPH one that it has now (there is just something wrong with the idea that a 500bhp V10 is being held at the same speed of a 330bhp inline 6 ) But i think it's going to decimate it's competition.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by RC45 -- too funny. And all thise people who were claiming the new M5 was going to be chasing down P911TT's and Z06's and the likes. It's a big friggen sedan with some power. Nothing more. It won't be surprising if the CTS-V's will be beating M5's on the street... First off what the hell is a P911TT???

What do you think a P911TT is?

As pointed out already it is not that hard to figure out - Porsche 911 Twin Turbo.

Originally Posted by Sir_GT Fact is that the new M5 destroys the current Porsche 911 (carrera S at that) in a straight line, all the way through to the derestricted top speed.

The point? Early on over-zealous BMW fanatics were thinking that the new M5 would be faster and better handling than actual sports cars.

Originally Posted by Sir_GT What I find funny is that people here are "disappointed" because the M5 didn't one-up the current crop of sports cars.

See above - stupid BMW fans thought that theM5 was going to be some kind of miracle machine.

Originally Posted by Sir_GT In the first place, what for? You want an overgrown Evo 8 or something? go get one then. See how much luxury that thing will give you. (no offense to my good friend evowalo who has one, but even he would agree)

Typical response from the loser camp.. See the pathetic excuses the AMG crowd spews out everytime people point out that AMG's fail to make the turn when they reach the end of the drag strip..

Originally Posted by Sir_GT Simply put, the M5 raised the status quo for a super performance luxury vehicle. Until another car can seat 5 adults, play DVD's, while lapping the ring in about 8 minutes, then the M5 won't have any rivals.

Well - once you actually place 5 adults (and extra 600ks) into the car - it will lap far slower than what ever time is quoted as the M5 record..

Besides - you have dismissed quite a few other "luxury sedans" that can achieve the same thin. The R6, the CTS-V to name a couple.. hehehe

Originally Posted by Sir_GT As the road test in EVO magazine said: Its annihilation of the competition is so complete, that it almost goes beyond what it was designed for, nearly cracking that area of the atmosphere being inhabited by supercars.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I cannot count the number of M5's that thought the same thing and ended up being handed to losin ticket by my lowly plastic, push-rod, leaf sprung "yank tank"..

Now lets rethink the "M5 is chasing super cars" comment again... I am sure Enzo drivers are concerned

Originally Posted by Sir_GT In the realm of luxury sports sedans, it renders the E55 and the RS6 to mere surplus. Here, the M5 stands alone.

Now that is some funny shit...

[ZfrkS62]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I cannot count the number of M5's that thought the same thing and ended up being handed to losin ticket by my lowly plastic, push-rod, leaf sprung "yank tank"..

now now, i'm an M5 fan but even i'll say there's no replacement for displacement

and yes the magazines are being a little over zealous in saying a sedan is chasing supercars..but you have to admit, a 4 door that will do 205 unlimited, that is impressive. as were the skidpad numbers on the E39 M5 when it came out.

We're talking about a grocery-getter here guys

[blah]

why hasnt anyone done a 1/4 mile test on this beast yet? I wonder what 100-155 would take.

[ZfrkS62]

moter trend estimated the quarter mile at 12.6sec. but i haven't seen a definite time yet.

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by blah why hasnt anyone done a 1/4 mile test on this beast yet? I wonder what 100-155 would take.

Autocar's M5 did the 1/4 mile in 12.8 @ 119 mph. Have to remember that their test is two up with full tank. That trap speed is in Viper territory.

100-150
M5 (Autocar): 11.2
996 GT2 (Autocar): 11.6
Gallardo (Autocar): 12.3
SRT-10 (C&D): 13.9
Z06 (405 hp, C&D): 14.9

The Autocar test is in Magazine Scans, if anyone hasn't seen it yet.