Guns

[gtx28]

ill shoot a penny at 100 yds and mail it to ya if you like

[nthfinity]

smith and wessin .22 caliber six-shooter
.22 caliber rifles (too many to name)
4/10 winchester shotgun
12 guage shotguns (single barrel only yet... but quite a few)
.38 caliber Japanese SKS assault rifle
.223 caliber AKA rifle
Barretta 9mm semi auto handgun

targets... targets, cans, watermelon, and the "Lead Tree" aptly named for its high lead content

lots of fun using high explosives, and barrels... i just dont find time to do it much

[DeMoN]

These are the guns I have

[gtx28]

Nice beretta demon, i learned on one of those the decocking mechanism on those is excellent, provides some peace of mind.

[TeflonTron]

I'm not such a big fan of guns, so prefer shooting and working on my air weapons. My favourite is the rifle below. She's accurate enough to nail sub 0.5 inch groups at 70 yards on a regular basis, which is better than 99% of powder-burners.

[gtx28]

which is better than 99% of powder-burners

where did you get that statistic, no offence, but most firearms statistically are better than that. Every remington 700 short action on the planet will shoot 3/4 moa right out of the box. I will agree that most shooters on the planet are not talented enough to consistantly shoot sub moa groups. Plus air power has no punch to it, you cant drop a subject, and animal of any decent size etc. Whens the last time you saw an air rifle take out a duceand a half from 1800 yds! I suppose each one has its own place. It just seems like air rifles are toys compaired to the real deal.

[TeflonTron]

Originally Posted by gtx28 which is better than 99% of powder-burners where did you get that statistic, no offence, but most firearms statistically are better than that. Every remington 700 short action on the planet will shoot 3/4 moa right out of the box. I will agree that most shooters on the planet are not talented enough to consistantly shoot sub moa groups. Plus air power has no punch to it, you cant drop a subject, and animal of any decent size etc. Whens the last time you saw an air rifle take out a duceand a half from 1800 yds! I suppose each one has its own place. It just seems like air rifles are toys compaired to the real deal.

When I said "99%" I meant it more as a turn of phrase than a concrete statistic! Well, I still stick by my statement that sub 0.5" at 70 yards is better than most powder-burners. As you say, most people aren't good enough shots, or patient enough, to achieve that sort of accuracy. It's by no means commonplace, but my rifle, and I, have been known to hit sub 0.75" groups at 100 yards as well. As for air rifles "seeming like toys" compared to the "real deal", that's a bad mistake to make. My rifle in the picture has enough power to drop a Muntjach or Roe Deer with a single headshot, and specialist air rifles can be, and are, used to hunt Hogs and even Buffalo! Oh, and the added advantage that I have over powder burners, is no recoil, no smoke, smaller expense, and I can use a silencer than makes my rifle almost inaudible.

[Skaala]

AG-3
MG-3
MP5
M-72
Glock P80
Beretta 9mm
Barret 12,7 MØR (MDR - Material Destruction Rifle)
Steyr AUG 5.56 NATO
Mauser 7.62

all was fired when I was in the army

[gtx28]

My rifle in the picture has enough power to drop a Muntjach or Roe Deer with a single headshot, and specialist air rifles can be, and are, used to hunt Hogs and even Buffalo! Oh, and the added advantage that I have over powder burners, is no recoil, no smoke, smaller expense, and I can use a silencer than makes my rifle almost inaudible.

I appreciate the input i didnt know that. I can appreciate an education as much as the next guy. So now you have me curious

What are the weights of your projectile, how many grams, how many inches does it drop at 100 yds given a controled environment etc , and what are common muzzle velocitys for air rifles?

[TeflonTron]

Originally Posted by gtx28 My rifle in the picture has enough power to drop a Muntjach or Roe Deer with a single headshot, and specialist air rifles can be, and are, used to hunt Hogs and even Buffalo! Oh, and the added advantage that I have over powder burners, is no recoil, no smoke, smaller expense, and I can use a silencer than makes my rifle almost inaudible. I appreciate the input i didnt know that. I can appreciate an education as much as the next guy. So now you have me curious What are the weights of your projectile, how many grams, how many inches does it drop at 100 yds given a controled environment etc , and what are common muzzle velocitys for air rifles?

Hey, no worries at all! I'll talk about any aspect of shooting, at any time.

Well, most air-rifles will throw out a 14 Grain .22 pellet at about 700ft/sec (not a lot of power at all). The more powerful will shoot the same 14 Grain pellet at about 900ft/sec. My rifle will shoot a 35 Grain pellet at 980ft/sec. Don't get me wrong: it doesn't have the same energy as a powder rifle, but that's not what I modified it for (I had the valve set up to give 30 shots at a deviation of no more than about 10ft/sec between shots, as opposed to extreme power). When the custom silencer is on the barrel it's very hard to hear the report unless you're listening out for it. As for drop at range: I have to say that I don't have the numbers to hand. However, these are the pellets that I use, along with Korean Dae Sungs, which are 28 Grain:

[graywolf624]

is no recoil, no smoke, smaller expense, and I can use a silencer

Not to be picky but you may want to reword that sentence. You have less recoil. Having no recoil is impossible thanks to the laws of physics. Silencer isnt really that great of a reason either, nor smoke as both of these can be dealt with as well.

Honestly, it comes down to expense, and regulations in your home country.

[TeflonTron]

Originally Posted by graywolf624 is no recoil, no smoke, smaller expense, and I can use a silencer Not to be picky but you may want to reword that sentence. You have less recoil. Having no recoil is impossible thanks to the laws of physics. Silencer isnt really that great of a reason either, nor smoke as both of these can be dealt with as well. Honestly, it comes down to expense, and regulations in your home country.

Ecconomics isn't really a part of the equation, tbh: I could splash for a $10,000 rifle if need be. I know that there is still recoil, but it's so small as to be almost impossible to feel. The silencer is a big thing, tbh: a quiet gun is a dangerous gun

[graywolf624]

The silencer is a big thing, tbh: a quiet gun is a dangerous gun

The point was you could get one for a powder gun as well.

[TeflonTron]

Originally Posted by graywolf624 The silencer is a big thing, tbh: a quiet gun is a dangerous gun The point was you could get one for a powder gun as well.

That is also true, but I fail to see the wider point that you are making. It's horses for courses, and I was simply pointing out that high quality air rifles are not toys and are easily capable of killing whatever it is a hunter would want to kill.

[graywolf624]

Never said they were toys.. But they arent the equivelent of a competition powder gun. Though they can be nice.