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[gucom]

didnt they call the dauer 962 a cheater at lemans? because they made a road car of a racecar that was by then illegal, then transform it to a legal racecar again or something like that? anyway who cares, it won

[lakatu]

[quote="st-anger"]

Originally Posted by lakatu Originally Posted by st-anger looking for an decent and effordable Porsche it´s definitely a good desicion to go for a modell after ´86 because there´s a significant quality/power output/handling difference to the sub ´86 modells st-anger the information you provide here is incredibly useful and informative. I've just spent the past several days reading old posts. I have a question about your reply to the post concerning a 1987 911. I am aware of a change in the G50 transmission and increased power but I wasn't aware of any suspension or handling changes from 1987-89 to the 911. Was there any or were you referring to the 964, 993 & 996 being better handling? Also, it seems that you have either driven or have knowledge about the relative handling differences between the evolution from the 3.2L Carrera to the current 996. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind describing the technical changes and how or why they contributed to the improved cornering abilities and neutrality. Do you know the different NS lap times or estimated relative cornering speeds for the 4 different models? For example, how much faster would a 996 be able to take a corner verses the other models. Finally, in the U.S. 911's are commonly lowered to "Euro-spec". Do you know what the difference in ride height between the European and the U.S.version of the 1987 3.2L. I know that in the early 70's there was a height difference due to the bumper regulations in the U.S. but I am not sure if that carried over to the 1987 model. If so do you know what type of an impact this had on the U.S. 3.2L's handling capabilities? I read an old Road & Track test conducted in Germany of the 944T and 911 3.2L that seemed to indicate the European version of the 911 handled better than the U.S. version. Thanks for all the insight and knowledge you've shared on this website. handling wise, the basic oversteering influence of a 40/60 weight distribution is counteracted largely by a very high roll stiffness at the front and a considerable difference between front and rear wheel camber settings. the car can be pushed up to its very high cornering speeds without a clear indication to the driver of what will happen when it finally lets go. on dry roads this doesn't matter very much, it´s most stable accelerating round a corner, when it maintains a very mild understeer, but the limits are so high that few people will reach them on public roads. on slippery surfaces the Dunlop SP high speed tyres still grip tenaciously but the back end will break away if you use too much throttle in a low gear, or if you corner too fast on a trailing throttle, a moderate amount of power gives the best results. if you want to drive near the ragged edge you must remain alert because of the usual early warning symptoms of roll, tyre squeal and attitude change are almost absent. Steering feedback is quite strong especially when cornering fast.

Thanks st-anger for taking the time to respond to my earlier post I hope Italy was fun. I can tell that you put a lot of time and thought into your answer. I was wondering if I could get you to clarify a description in the above quote concerning the handling of a 911. In the quote are you referring to the current 996 or the 3.2L Carrera or is the description for all 911 models in general due to similar 40/60% weight distribution?

Don't feel pressured to respond quickly to my post. The last thing I would want to do is take away from time with your wife. Thanks again, your posts are invaluable.

[st-anger]

[quote="lakatu"]

Originally Posted by st-anger Originally Posted by lakatu Originally Posted by st-anger looking for an decent and effordable Porsche it´s definitely a good desicion to go for a modell after ´86 because there´s a significant quality/power output/handling difference to the sub ´86 modells st-anger the information you provide here is incredibly useful and informative. I've just spent the past several days reading old posts. I have a question about your reply to the post concerning a 1987 911. I am aware of a change in the G50 transmission and increased power but I wasn't aware of any suspension or handling changes from 1987-89 to the 911. Was there any or were you referring to the 964, 993 & 996 being better handling? Also, it seems that you have either driven or have knowledge about the relative handling differences between the evolution from the 3.2L Carrera to the current 996. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind describing the technical changes and how or why they contributed to the improved cornering abilities and neutrality. Do you know the different NS lap times or estimated relative cornering speeds for the 4 different models? For example, how much faster would a 996 be able to take a corner verses the other models. Finally, in the U.S. 911's are commonly lowered to "Euro-spec". Do you know what the difference in ride height between the European and the U.S.version of the 1987 3.2L. I know that in the early 70's there was a height difference due to the bumper regulations in the U.S. but I am not sure if that carried over to the 1987 model. If so do you know what type of an impact this had on the U.S. 3.2L's handling capabilities? I read an old Road & Track test conducted in Germany of the 944T and 911 3.2L that seemed to indicate the European version of the 911 handled better than the U.S. version. Thanks for all the insight and knowledge you've shared on this website. handling wise, the basic oversteering influence of a 40/60 weight distribution is counteracted largely by a very high roll stiffness at the front and a considerable difference between front and rear wheel camber settings. the car can be pushed up to its very high cornering speeds without a clear indication to the driver of what will happen when it finally lets go. on dry roads this doesn't matter very much, it´s most stable accelerating round a corner, when it maintains a very mild understeer, but the limits are so high that few people will reach them on public roads. on slippery surfaces the Dunlop SP high speed tyres still grip tenaciously but the back end will break away if you use too much throttle in a low gear, or if you corner too fast on a trailing throttle, a moderate amount of power gives the best results. if you want to drive near the ragged edge you must remain alert because of the usual early warning symptoms of roll, tyre squeal and attitude change are almost absent. Steering feedback is quite strong especially when cornering fast. Thanks st-anger for taking the time to respond to my earlier post I hope Italy was fun. I can tell that you put a lot of time and thought into your answer. I was wondering if I could get you to clarify a description in the above quote concerning the handling of a 911. In the quote are you referring to the current 996 or the 3.2L Carrera or is the description for all 911 models in general due to similar 40/60% weight distribution? Don't feel pressured to respond quickly to my post. The last thing I would want to do is take away from time with your wife. Thanks again, your posts are invaluable.

well, thx first of all and it´s my pleasure to provide you guys with some Porsche related infos...
...unfortunately my italy trip´d been hard business instead of a holiday-like stay, so i´m quite exhausted...
but back to your question, i´m definitely talking about the very old 911 modells, you really can´t compare them to the current 911´s (=996)...

[lakatu]

St-anger it is my understanding that Porsche has track tested their various 911 models during development on the Nurburgring. Do you know if Porsche has recorded lap times on the same track for the various 911 versions and if that information is available? While these lap times may not be the best method of comparison (due to a number of variables such as track conditions, different drivers and changes in tire technology over the years) they might provide an idea of how the cars performance has changed over the years and how they might perform in a comparison test. Don't you think that it would be appropriate to compare lap times over different time periods on the same track if you were to recognize that some confidence internal would apply (maybe +/- 5s for NS) to account for variation in conditions?

While most people maybe already aware of these sites, here are some links to different NS lap times that I believe have not been posted to JW.

http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-32546/nbr...ent%20cars.htm

http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-32546/nbr...t/rcentrie.htm

http://www.bmwdeler.no/nordschleife.html

[287kwR33psi]

Mmmm PORSCHE, it just rolls of your tounge and makes you think about blasting a hole in the horizon.
So who has heard about the 4 door? THe car in which Porsche will sell its sole. Cayenne was all well and good, I even like it, no one really uses there 4x4 / SUV to go off road and you still have Techart, Ruf and Gembella tuning the beast, but to produce a 4door saloon to compete in the Merc and BM market, leave it alone its the same as when the original 911 was to be a 4 door the idea was wrong from the start.
THe 997 appears to hark back on the familler 993 design cues, flaired arches, round / oval head lights etc.
993 the last of the Porsches. RSCS the only option to go.

[st-anger]

Originally Posted by lakatu St-anger it is my understanding that Porsche has track tested their various 911 models during development on the Nurburgring. Do you know if Porsche has recorded lap times on the same track for the various 911 versions and if that information is available?

sorry, as i´ve said before i´ve no infos on NS lap times of any old 911 modells, but be sure that i´ll ask some of our older techs. at the EZW maybe they know something about that, because to look for lap times in the archive´d take ages, sorry but i´m afraid i really don´t have the time for that. but yes, basically you´re right every Porsche modell is tested at the NS but it´s not mainly going as fast as possible round the circuit, so a fast full lap is a very rare thing during testing, i´ve been testing a lot at NS and several other places, but the procedure is as follows, you´ve a certain task, e.g. to improve handling within a certain speed range, so you´re driving from corner to corner and test all the stuff there, but after e.g. corner C you go on the radio, or computer, or make some notes for technicians, or whatever...
you see, it´s not only like in a race, e.g. to clock 10 fast laps an record the lap times, this has also be done during stress testing, but to clock good lap times isn´t that improtant for the test crew, we just want to have some fun....j/k

[SamuraiGti]

Why Porsche 911 has 2 designations? 996 and 911? What's the difference, is the same car why two desigantions?

[st-anger]

Originally Posted by SamuraiGti Why Porsche 911 has 2 designations? 996 and 911? What's the difference, is the same car why two desigantions?

"911" is the general name, in 1963 Ferdinand Porsche introduced the "911" which should be the sucsessor of the Porsche 356...
up to the 70-80´s they where called 911 xx, then 964 after some time 993 and the latest modells are called 996, upcomming modells´ll be called 997, 998...

[SamuraiGti]

hmm... thanks for the explanation st-anger =)

[TT]

I must admit I never understood the jump from 993 to 996... we already know the next one will be 997 and maybe next a 998... but the there would be a 999 and after that? A 911 1000? Sound wrong LOL..

If the actual 996 would have been called 994, they would have lost 2 "numbers"

Well of course same goes from the jump from 964 to 993

Same goes with many other manufacturers using numbers for their cars ... Peugeot 405, 406, 407.. and then? 410? I know after a while there is always a radical evolution and a radical change in the names, but still

[SamuraiGti]

That is happening in citroen either. C2, C3, C5 for now. It will be C4 and C1 i think. When they renew the car's they will change the name of it?

In nissan the same thing, 300zx is now 350z. The next one will be the 400z? lol

[scubywrxr]

If I remember clearly Porsche actually called the car a 901, but peugot objected because they had the rights to all car names with 3 numerals and a zero in the middle, so it was renamed the 911. and the legend was born....

[st-anger]

- BREAKING NEWS -

Gemballa seems to be working on a tuning kit for the Carrera GT, more infos to follow...

[gucom]

owh my god a tuned CGT...thats gotta be the fastest supercar
EVER... hope they wont turbocharge it, dont think that fits the car...

[st-anger]

Originally Posted by gucom owh my god a tuned CGT...thats gotta be the fastest supercar EVER... hope they wont turbocharge it, dont think that fits the car...

they´re talking about ~ 800-1000hp, so it simply HAS to be turbocharged