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HeilSvenska · 03-07-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by abrown250

its not a claim its an opinion. and its based on articles and videos about both cars. maybe rubbish is the wrong word, but i dont think its really comparable to a veyron because aside from its straight line speed, it lacks everything else the veyron has. not that i own one or anything

You presented those opinions as if they were facts. There's not enough articles on SSC Aero TT to compare it to anything. And I've already presented my opinion already so I won't repeat myself. I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm just telling you to watch how you say things.

pagani · 03-07-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by HeilSvenska

That's quite a claim from a person who doesn't own either of those cars.

It sure is

abrown250 · 03-07-2008, 02:13 PM

easy there guy im just stating an opinion... sheesh

nthfinity · 03-07-2008, 02:06 PM

I think its better to compare the SSC vs. the Koenigsegg... or the S7 1000 hp TT, or the Mosler MT900, or Zonda etc.

Comparing this to the Veyron is really only applicable in top speed. Abrown250.

But why all the hate on SSC by the euro's? particularly when all you know about it is its mid engine, 1100+ hp, and 250+ mph.

Erez · 03-07-2008, 06:15 PM

even if its faster you can't compare it to the veyron, it not even in the same category.. (and i dont mean in the performance department, as to be honest i haven't checked all the numbers, nur do i care) if you have the money get what you want otherwise stfu about this or that sucks, americans will defend their cars to the death, clarkson, tho funny as hell to me, is just that, he says shit about the germans, americans, basically anyone who isn't british..
the z06 is a great car for everyday, if you live in the states, and for what you pay for it there, not so the case in other places (for the money after taxes... the roads.. etc) calling the veyron stupid is just ignorant, its a brilliant peace of engineering, as for looks, to each his own i guess, i find the veyron stunning you may not feel the same, and that's fine, you can't criticize taste (tho everyone seems to want to), and yeah i dont like the looks of the SSC one bit.. but thats me.. either way, i haven't got the money for any of them anyways..

abrown250 · 03-07-2008, 07:32 PM

good point, but i think HeilSvenska just takes these forums too seriously sometimes

HeilSvenska · 03-07-2008, 07:53 PM

If I don't take things seriously, they're not worth talking about.

chedisme · 03-08-2008, 02:33 AM

i dont get if the veyron is limited by the tires just get better tires. if the ssc has tires that can do 256, and there a small company, why cant VW find tires that can do it. or heres a bright idea create tires that can handle it. i mean they already spent about 5 million dollars on the veyron, why not spend some more and get better tires.

and just just to clarify i like both cars equally in different ways.

turpija · 03-08-2008, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by chedisme

i dont get if the veyron is limited by the tires just get better tires. if the ssc has tires that can do 256, and there a small company, why cant VW find tires that can do it. or heres a bright idea create tires that can handle it. i mean they already spent about 5 million dollars on the veyron, why not spend some more and get better tires.

and just just to clarify i like both cars equally in different ways.

Veyron uses specially developed tires and they are rated to 250mph+ so they are guaranted they can take top speed run without problems(if they are not damaged)
SSC uses Michelin pilot sport ps2 which is high end tire but they are not rated for 250mph, they don't "explode" when driven faster then they rated speed, but the manufacturer doesn't guarante you that they are safe beyond rated speed.

F250 · 03-08-2008, 09:09 AM

I run Portuguese tires on my Veyron. They are made of hemp, fishmeal, and cattle dung. Jeremy Clarkson thinks they are better than American Goodyears.

pagani · 03-08-2008, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by turpija

Veyron uses specially developed tires and they are rated to 250mph+ so they are guaranted they can take top speed run without problems(if they are not damaged)
SSC uses Michelin pilot sport ps2 which is high end tire but they are not rated for 250mph, they don't "explode" when driven faster then they rated speed, but the manufacturer doesn't guarante you that they are safe beyond rated speed.

How many people that will buy the scc will test it's top speed?

abrown250 · 03-08-2008, 09:35 AM

so does that mean that bugatti simply didnt take the risk like ssc of seeing how much faster the car could go?

turpija · 03-08-2008, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by pagani

How many people that will buy the scc will test it's top speed?

I don't know, first we must see how many people will buy it

Originally Posted by abrown250

so does that mean that bugatti simply didnt take the risk like ssc of seeing how much faster the car could go?

yes I think so, but the orignial goal set by Mr.Piech was 1000hp, 400kmh top speed, and every day useability, so 407kmh is more then originaly planed

but I heard that Piech secretly wanted to beat old Porsche 962 dauer so they did a little bit extra top speed just to be sure

Originally Posted by toffytofik

No. Power to weight ratio simply isn't good enough to go any faster regardless of tires.

weight has little to do with top speed, it's simple drag vs power thing, SSC has much better power to weight ratio but that resulted in just slightly better top speed.

pagani · 03-08-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by turpija

I don't know, first we must see how many people will buy it

yes I think so, but the orignial goal set by Mr.Piech was 1000hp, 400kmh top speed, and every day useability, so 407kmh is more then originaly planed

but I heard that Piech secretly wanted to beat old Porsche 962 dauer so they did a little bit extra top speed just to be sure

weight has little to do with top speed, it's simple drag vs power thing, SSC has much better power to weight ratio but that resulted in just slightly better top speed.

The scc could go faster than it's current record.

toffytofik · 03-08-2008, 01:33 PM

Here's some info i maneged to find on the net:

And because of the short straightaway, S-bends, and uneven pavement from the public road, SSC says that there was a lot more pedal to push, leaving 6-10 mph for future purposes.

SSC will send an Ultimate Aero to Europe to test its true top speed on one of Germany's ultra-smooth test tracks, just like the Bugatti Veyron, Koenigsegg CCR, and McLaren F1.

The Ultimate Aero also broke Road and Track's slalom record, previously held by the Ferrari Enzo.

So they claim it's somewhat 10 mph reserve. But why do they need to go in Germany to test it? Isn't there long enough test polygons in USA? At least they could've tested it at Bonneville (i know it's not the same as the ultra-smooth asphalt of Germany... anyways.)

Originally Posted by turpija

weight has little to do with top speed, it's simple drag vs power thing, SSC has much better power to weight ratio but that resulted in just slightly better top speed.

You're right, kinda. But static weight does matter too, even if in less degree

Anyway, seems like both Veyron and SCC suffer from excess drag generated by the heap of radiators found on both these cars. Furthermore Veyron's got a relatively large frontal area which isn't good ~ lots of drag.