Read em and weep...

[RC45]

Originally Posted by Neema702 nthfinity next, the chassis, and suspension are simply beyond the development of european competition, all without the high d/f aero development. are you fucking serious....!

Yes he is.

Funny how all the people who claim that Porsche-this, and Ferrari-that are not actually owners of the cars.

When a GT3 owner steps up and says "My car is superior to another because I have experienced it as such" I acknowledge that they know because they have experience on which base their opinions.

Any one else is a fan boy.

Period.

BTW, same goes for Lambo or ferrari or Viper etc.

People who DRIVE those cars have a basis to challange - fanboys don't.

They should merely state "their opinion".

How about making a fact based comback?

[Neema702]

Hey RC, i was trying to be nice and mature; but i can see now, that it doesnt work with some fucking trash like yourself. fuck your piece of shit car, fuck all your opinions, and if your really a man, i fuckin live in ur city bitch, so why dont u come talk shit to my face instead of talkin shit on a fuckin forum like some faggot.

everyone on this forum has been calm and patient with u, and all you do is critisize and insult, and why... because you drive a piece of shit Z06 and think you know your shit.

for a 38 year old, you sure are dumb as fuck. your logical argument makes sense, good for you. but it is irrelevant to this conversation. you tried to back up your argument by citing articles in magazines, and when i showed those arguments worked against you, all u had to say was "feel shmeel" like some rtarded uneducated sack of ass.

and as for this whole "You are just lucky enough to have been borne into enough status wealth and support to have access to the right path to "that station where youthink people are better". You can kiss my ass, me and my family have worked our asses off to get where we are now. we started form nothing and made somehting of ourselves, we didnt turn out to be some fuckin american trash like yourself.

no one is argueing with you about the times of cars, or their 0-60's and such, the argument is based on porsche and ferrari making a better all-around car then the z06. and you dont have to admit that, i know you know it, and if you dont, then fuck... you really are as dumb as shit.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by brembo You have been proven wrong on this forum several times RC and you know it, its just not that much fun to do it anymore as you just run away when you are owned and stop posting in that thread......

With all due respect.

I have no reason to post "lies" about a car - and then try stand by it.

I post facts with reagrd to cars and specifically the car in quesiton.

I know a lot more about the car, and am privvy to far more accurate data from significant sources than most folks.

As I say - I won't post a fact about a car if its not accurate. Why would I? I have no need to.

At other times an interpretaiton of a political viewpoint or standpoint may appear different - but I have no reason to post a fact this is untrue and try calim otherwise.

But by the same token another opinion based on some fact may be opposite to mine - BUT THE FACT IS STILL THE SAME. Capish?

I wouldn't do it and have no reason to.

Now many of you people to choose to DOUBT some of the facts I provide - but that does nto change them.

Period.

With regard to "being owned" on factual issues - bullfucking shit.

Ganging up on me and trying to show my opinion on certain fact does nto equate to having facts disproven - especially with reagrd to certain cars.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by Neema702 Hey RC, i was trying to be nice and mature; but i can see now, that it doesnt work with some fucking trash like yourself.

You were not being nice or mature - you are just of the opinion that F-cars and P-cars are better - and when someone says they are not, youget all ansty. I am actually chuckling and laughing at just how pent up and angry you folks get.

You are of the opinion that I trash beacuse I simply called your bullshit and countered it.

It didn't take long for you to suddenly start with direct insults... turns out your shit does stink after all.

Originally Posted by Neema702 fuck your piece of shit car, fuck all your opinions, and if your really a man, i fuckin live in ur city bitch, so why dont u come talk shit to my face instead of talkin shit on a fuckin forum like some faggot.

There you go - thats what you have felt all along - if it's not from the fanboy list, it must be shit and the people who have them must be shit too.

Looks like you were as predictable as ever.

So now you want to come beat me up to prove you point. Go ahead. If it makes you feel better to want to beat kick mame and other wise attack people to prove you are superior - go ahead.

The truth is simple - you are of the opinion that "inferior" (in your opinion) shit is just that - and in no way could ever be factually equal or better - since it doesn't fit in with your opinion of "good".

Again - thats your fixation on material luxury and exclusiveness.

Originally Posted by Neema702 everyone on this forum has been calm and patient with u, and all you do is critisize and insult, and why... because you drive a piece of shit Z06 and think you know your shit.

Be patient? Who needs to be patient. Just because I present facts and don't subscribe to the "expensive" is better and fuck the cheap and tacky, the people that do (subscribe to the "expensive" is best idea) are showing patience by listening to opposing opinion based on fact?

How arrogant and superior of you and all you 'friends" are to assume that your opinion is so "perfect" that listening to anyone else is displayng patience.

This is the truth.

Originally Posted by Neema702 for a 38 year old, you sure are dumb as fuck. your logical argument makes sense, good for you. but it is irrelevant to this conversation. you tried to back up your argument by citing articles in magazines, and when i showed those arguments worked against you, all u had to say was "feel shmeel" like some rtarded uneducated sack of ass.

Thats right - try bolster your status and station by arrogantly stating that even thoough the facts point one way, your opinion is the other because thats the where the "image" is.

Originally Posted by Neema702 and as for this whole "You are just lucky enough to have been borne into enough status wealth and support to have access to the right path to "that station where youthink people are better". You can kiss my ass, me and my family have worked our asses off to get where we are now. we started form nothing and made somehting of ourselves, we didnt turn out to be some fuckin american trash like yourself.

Oh - so at 20 you built your family wealth position and status. You parents/grandparents may have started form nothing, but you rode on their coat tails.

Originally Posted by Neema702 no one is argueing with you about the times of cars, or their 0-60's and such, the argument is based on porsche and ferrari making a better all-around car then the z06. and you dont have to admit that, i know you know it, and if you dont, then fuck... you really are as dumb as shit.

So now you are taking a subject measure and extrapolating that to mean that is "must be better".

Again - I am telling you it is not factually better, some people have the opinion it is better.

Period.

For years I get you fanboy types all up in arms because this is exactly what I present and people are simply to arrogant to acknowledge factually the one is better - but some folks subjectively choose to igone this and choose other wise.

More power to them - that's their opinion and they are entitled to it - but don't try make out that the facts back this subjective view - as by it's very definition it is - subjective.

Oh - and BTW I do know my shit.


*******

ANY WAY:

Back to the topic:

Read the numbers and weep because they are better than the fanboy mobile posted numbers.


********

There was no need for this diversion if these facts would simply be accepted without a huge argument that they are "wrong".

Just admit they are correct - and then add your subjective opinion is opposite.

Nothing wrong with that.

Any way - I am off to prepare for a Hurricane - I tire of this exchange... bybe bye.

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by Neema702 Hey RC, i was trying to be nice and mature; but i can see now, that it doesnt work with some fucking trash like yourself. You were not being nice or mature - you are just of the opinion that F-cars and P-cars are better - and when someone says they are not, youget all ansty. I am actually chuckling and laughing at just how pent up and angry you folks get. You are of the opinion that I trash beacuse I simply called your bullshit and countered it. It didn't take long for you to suddenly start with direct insults... turns out your shit does stink after all. Originally Posted by Neema702 fuck your piece of shit car, fuck all your opinions, and if your really a man, i fuckin live in ur city bitch, so why dont u come talk shit to my face instead of talkin shit on a fuckin forum like some faggot. There you go - thats what you have felt all along - if it's not from the fanboy list, it must be shit and the people who have them must be shit too. Looks like you were as predictable as ever. So now you want to come beat me up to prove you point. Go ahead. If it makes you feel better to want to beat kick mame and other wise attack people to prove you are superior - go ahead. The truth is simple - you are of the opinion that "inferior" (in your opinion) shit is just that - and in no way could ever be factually equal or better - since it doesn't fit in with your opinion of "good". Again - thats your fixation on material luxury and exclusiveness. Originally Posted by Neema702 everyone on this forum has been calm and patient with u, and all you do is critisize and insult, and why... because you drive a piece of shit Z06 and think you know your shit. Be patient? Who needs to be patient. Just because I present facts and don't subscribe to the "expensive" is better and fuck the cheap and tacky, the people that do (subscribe to the "expensive" is best idea) are showing patience by listening to opposing opinion based on fact? How arrogant and superior of you and all you 'friends" are to assume that your opinion is so "perfect" that listening to anyone else is displayng patience. This is the truth. Originally Posted by Neema702 for a 38 year old, you sure are dumb as fuck. your logical argument makes sense, good for you. but it is irrelevant to this conversation. you tried to back up your argument by citing articles in magazines, and when i showed those arguments worked against you, all u had to say was "feel shmeel" like some rtarded uneducated sack of ass. Thats right - try bolster your status and station by arrogantly stating that even thoough the facts point one way, your opinion is the other because thats the where the "image" is. Originally Posted by Neema702 and as for this whole "You are just lucky enough to have been borne into enough status wealth and support to have access to the right path to "that station where youthink people are better". You can kiss my ass, me and my family have worked our asses off to get where we are now. we started form nothing and made somehting of ourselves, we didnt turn out to be some fuckin american trash like yourself. Oh - so at 20 you built your family wealth position and status. You parents/grandparents may have started form nothing, but you rode on their coat tails. Originally Posted by Neema702 no one is argueing with you about the times of cars, or their 0-60's and such, the argument is based on porsche and ferrari making a better all-around car then the z06. and you dont have to admit that, i know you know it, and if you dont, then fuck... you really are as dumb as shit. So now you are taking a subject measure and extrapolating that to mean that is "must be better". Again - I am telling you it is not factually better, some people have the opinion it is better. Period. For years I get you fanboy types all up in arms because this is exactly what I present and people are simply to arrogant to acknowledge factually the one is better - but some folks subjectively choose to igone this and choose other wise. More power to them - that's their opinion and they are entitled to it - but don't try make out that the facts back this subjective view - as by it's very definition it is - subjective. Oh - and BTW I do know my shit. ******* ANY WAY: Back to the topic: Read the numbers and weep because they are better than the fanboy mobile posted numbers. ******** There was no need for this diversion if these facts would simply be accepted without a huge argument that they are "wrong". Just admit they are correct - and then add your subjective opinion is opposite. Nothing wrong with that. Any way - I am off to prepare for a Hurricane - I tire of this exchange... bybe bye.

LOL always the mindless resort to threats, people on the internet are so easy to wind up to, not that you'd ever do that

Hope you and everyone else there stays safe through the hurricaine

[RC45]

Originally Posted by brembo Hell RC Im all for the no show all go...Im not buying the most bling for my buck we are the same there, but I dont feel the need to pull out my car all the time even if it can hang with some of the P and F cars.... I enjoy my car for what it is...(now its only work, but still).... I love my car and what it is capable of, but as a whole package alot of F and P cars are a better one

Subjectively there is no doubt, the "whole pacakge" is impressive - if you are into impressing people .

If you pull up in an Enzo girsl will get wet, boys will shoot their load... and over all your "image" will be as powerful as ever...

But unless you ARE that person and and you DO have an Enzo to arrive in - it's all just subjective dreaming

No one says dreams aren't cool, but just as much some people think they are tirde over the Z... imagine ho wtired some of us non-fanboys are tired of hearing about "the overall package" from people who don't actually have "the over all package" under their backsides..

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by Neema702 nthfinity next, the chassis, and suspension are simply beyond the development of european competition, all without the high d/f aero development. are you fucking serious....! Yes he is. Funny how all the people who claim that Porsche-this, and Ferrari-that are not actually owners of the cars. When a GT3 owner steps up and says "My car is superior to another because I have experienced it as such" I acknowledge that they know because they have experience on which base their opinions. Any one else is a fan boy. Period. BTW, same goes for Lambo or ferrari or Viper etc. People who DRIVE those cars have a basis to challange - fanboys don't. They should merely state "their opinion". How about making a fact based comback?

yes, i am serious; since i had posted it. :roll:
albiet, i would rather have a Porsche 911 GT3, Turbo, GT2, and CGT then the new Z (particularly in 997 form as they are released... )

im a huge fan of cars made from BMW, Audi, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Koenigsegg, pagani zonda f, Bugatti (as an excersize, and style) Aston Martin, a few Jags, etc. but clearly, the Z is far from a pretender in the group, as the Ford GT is superior in many qualities to our beloved pasta rockets, and is close in all respects.

i will argue my opion has the new Z looking very good, and over the years they have added cirtain european flairs to the car, some good, others suck.

but in pure regards to this automobile's performance; it simply cannot be argued against. and people who argue agaisnt it simply have absolutely no basis for that besides a strawman argument.

[graywolf624]

well maybe i used the wrong word, but the zo6 is a ENHANCED model of the standard vette and since when does someone has to be a tuner to modify anything. modify is a general term meaning that something was changed, any time you buy a car and you say "i want this and that option" the car gets modified.

Say what? So if I add any option the cars modified? I guess there are no non modified cars in existance, cause I can't think of a single car thats primarily bought with the base spec.. Even ferraris.

yes Ferrari of course wants to do better then their competitors, but chevy isnt one of them.

That depends on if Chevy makes a car thats comparable to theres and will thus take away sales. They have. It might not be a huge cannibalization but there will be people who buy a zo6 instead of a f430 and pocket the extra(or modify or whatever)

who is this coming from, you??

Of course, I have been a tifosi since I was old enough to know what a car is. Probably directly related to watching magnum pi as a youngin..

[graywolf624]

adding a option to a car, and chaning what it would generally come with. yes that modifing the car. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=modify 1. To change in form or character; alter.

Except the z06 model of the corvette generally comes with the engine transmission ect. And it isnt an option on the corvette. ITs a seperate model technically unlike the z51 option. Yet again, no cars are not modified under your definition.. In which case we are comparing modified to modified cause a f430 isnt going to be base spec either.

umm, i find it very hard to believe that anyone who would go to a Ferrari dealer and then opt out to buy a vette and pocket the money. sorry, it might just be me but i dont believe that for one sec. you can state and claim all you want about that.

I know someone who has done just that personally.

[graywolf624]

didnt have anything to say about one of my other comments. just curious as to what you would come up this time

Huh?
I said they are competitors on a specific car based on whether people cross shop them and I know someone who has in the past.

though a 430 is base spec,

Ok youve managed to confuse me.. Whats base spec.. Any option as you describe above? A certain set of options? The car without options?
Perhaps you should say the 430 stradale will be more the sporty version while the regular 430 is more about luxury?

[nchs09]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by Caplax40 Originally Posted by skituner merry fucking chirstmas, its still a corvette. Great here we go....cue RC45's rebuttal..... What rebuttal? "it's still a corvette" is a typical fanboy, benchracer, wannabe, camry driving losers answer BTW - Which Ferrari does he drive? Facts are facts. 62lbs/hp - the number is just another in a long stream of numbers that validate how the C6 Z06 is just continuing what the C5 Z06 started 5 years ago. The fact that eye-ball squashing performance was now available for "ordinary folks" pisses all the wanna-be posers off no end. Must suck to be a supporter of something "just for the image" Those numbers again: sub 3.6ish-s 0-60 - 11.6ish-s 1/4 mile @ 125mph+, 7m42s Northloop, 200mph top speed - and all this for $65,000USD

i must admint the corvette is a fantstic car. but those looks inside the car makes it such a shit car.


the power the looks outside dont get me wrong. i have no problem with that :p


btw dont get offended :x

[nthfinity]

The difference when driving a car like the Enzo, the CGT, the Zonda the SLR and those kind of cars compared to driving a Z like you do are that you wouldnt feel the need to try and "prove" how fast they are all the time to boost your own ego....you would know it with yourself that very few road legal cars can hold a candle to your car...and at the end of the day thats what its all about if you want to admit it or not.....

i'd have to disagree. Vette (Z06) owners never have anything to prove to each other, and a vast portion of the automotive community already knows its one of the best road legal cars one can purchass in terms of performance; and there is no ego boost... so in that the new Z is sooo good, and the very few cars in the world can hold a candle to it... then its no different for a vette then these other hypercars... and i have to disagree with that

a hypercar is something else altogether. and the vette was never meant to take away anything from them. never; nor can it.

the italian sports car, and european sports cars, of them, we really can only compare the newest released cars, such as the Gallardo, F430, Ford GT, and Z06 (am i missing any?) cirtainly, porsche will be releasing the new Turbo and GT3 over the next year, which to me really is the benchmark to go by... Audi never had anything to compare against it; the M3 really never was a direct competitor; but it will still be facinating.

does any of this mean that the z is a better car? well, it gets the job done better anyway in a more visceral way invovling the driver more then an E-dif can... but it doesnt try do do everything that the F430, and Gallardo shoot for; and in no way is anywhere near the unique-like experience of owning something truly exotic.

[graywolf624]

so lets say someone was looking at the vette and had intentions on buying it, but decided to pick up a 2nd hand Ferrari. and yes he just happens to be qualified by Ferrari's standards. does this mean that now that are competitors cause they were crossed shopped.

Actually it means that particular ferrari used is a competitor.
That wouldnt be a ferrari thing though, that would be ferrari dealers competing with new chevy dealers.

I beg to differ on the Z06 owners as our very own seem to feel the need to to bring it up in every discussion known to mankind, comparing it to cars far beyond what the Z06 can dance with or should be compared to......

Do remember Rc isnt the typical vette owner...
Not to mention Ive seen many a ferrari owner in a mid life crisis thinking they have something to prove as well. Not all owners are alike remember.

its just like any car man, but it just happens that we are talking about a 430. well the 430 comes standard from factory with a 6 speed manual, where as the 7 speed paddle is a option. and me personally i wouldnt get that option.

2 problems..
The zo6 is a seperate model, it is not an option code. It has its own base and options.
And second, so 7 speed is one you consider.
What about the carbon ceramic brakes?
Paint color based on sample?
Racing Seats?
leather luggage set?
navigation system?
electric seats?
runflats?
hi-fi?
options list:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/ferr...on=1&x=73&y=19

Can you name a single car on the road that is bought with no options? Where do you draw the line, does ferrari now make 50 versisions of the f430 based on its option list?

[Sir_GT]

It's nice that Vette owners are proud of their cars, but if anything, it's no different or any more special than owning an Impreza or an Evo. Both of those cars offer supercar performance (especially the new UK-tweaked Spec-C Impreza) at mice's prices, combined with practicality as an added bonus.

It's the same as the vette, except that the vette is less practical, but sexier.

Comparing a Vette to a Ferrari is like comparing a Scooby to an AMG or an M-car.

You would like to think of yourself as of equal standing to owners of the latter cars, because (factual or not) you believe that your car can better theirs in performance, but in truth, you simply couldn't afford the more desirable car.

"Penis envy", I think that's what Freud called it. :roll:

[HeilSvenska]

It's nice that Vette owners are proud of their cars, but if anything, it's no different or any more special than owning an Impreza or an Evo. Both of those cars offer supercar performance (especially the new UK-tweaked Spec-C Impreza) at mice's prices, combined with practicality as an added bonus. It's the same as the vette, except that the vette is less practical, but sexier. Comparing a Vette to a Ferrari is like comparing a Scooby to an AMG or an M-car.

How can you compare the Corvette to a Subaru or a Mitsubishi? A Corvette is a lot more special than a WRX. Besides Corvettes are more similar to Ferraris then they are to Subarus. Corvettes were designed from the start to be sports cars, not just homologation pieces of rally cars which were already based on fourdoor sedans/saloons. I'm not saying that Ferraris and Corvettes are equals, but i have to say that they run a nearly parellel course. And in some fields, Corvettes sometimes outshine Ferraris & Porsches in numerical figures.

And you don't compare Scooby itself to the AMG/M cars, you compare the Subaru Tecnica International with AMG/M cars. besides you can really do so when/if AMG makes A-Klasse and B-Klasse AMG models. and M with M1 or something