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07-25-2005, 04:28 PM
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Thanks jcfchen for the link. Interesting article on the 997 4S from Top Gear.
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07-25-2005, 05:42 PM
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I knew that I had seen this car before.
PS 9F-GT1
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I find the 9F-GT1 project very interesting. Keep us informed on this subject st-anger.
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07-25-2005, 06:18 PM
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That sounds incrible!!! :shock:
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07-27-2005, 09:26 AM
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Porsche Cayenne Turbo LPG
http://www.auto.cz/?article=1163
I don't understand the language but at the end of the page there are lots of pictures and some videos :shock: :shock:
P.S:I did a search but can not see a thread about this event , if this is a repost, sorry about that.
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07-27-2005, 10:16 AM
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^^^
LPG is liquified gas, it is much more cheaper because it is obtained by collecting the vapour from petrol. Can't believe you don't have that in your country
And it is ridiculous and a shame to put that on a turbo, what a sick bastard :fist:
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Originally Posted by Dan\/6
damn speedkillar, if you didnt have a title already it would now say 'robofucker' or similar 
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07-27-2005, 10:42 AM
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Stuttgart, July 27, 2005 -- The Supervisory Board and the Board of Management of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, gave their approval today for the development and production of another Porsche model line. To be called Panamera, the new car will be a premium-class sports coupe with four seats, four doors, and a choice of front-mounted engines driving the rear wheels.
Scheduled to enter the market in 2009, the Panamera will be the fourth model line from the Stuttgart carmaker following the 911®, the Boxster® and the Cayenne®. The new car’s name is derived from the legendary Carrera Pan-americana long-distance race.
Production of the Panamera is to be in Leipzig, where Porsche already builds the Cayenne SUV and the Carrera GT® supercar. The final decision will require further detailed talks between the Board of Management of Porsche AG and the Management of Porsche Leipzig GmbH with representatives of the employees. Porsche's total in-vestment in the new model line, including development, will be more than Euro 1 billion and will come entirely from the company’s own funds. Expected sales are at least 20,000 units a year.
"The Panamera is a perfect fit for Porsche,” said Dr. Wendelin Wiedeking, the President and CEO of Porsche AG. “It has all the typical DNA charac-teristic of a ge-nuine sports car. In terms of performance, design, and driving dynamics, it meets Porsche's high standards in every respect. Through this sports coupe we are making our customers a highly attractive offer in the top performance segment."
Porsche will develop and build the Panamera using the com-pany's own resources. "We will be developing a separate platform for our fourth model line at our Weissach R&D center,” said Wiedeking. “There are no plans for a joint venture with another car maker, but to ensure the profitability of this new model line we will cooperate more closely than so far with selected system suppliers."
Production of the Panamera in Leipzig would potentially create some 600 new jobs there. In the course of the project, approximately 400 more new jobs will be created at Porsche's original plant in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen, where the engines for the fourth model line will be built, and at the Weissach Development Center.
Like the 911, the Boxster and the Cay-enne, the Panamera will bear the "Made in Germany" stamp of quality. Domestic share of the Panamera’s overall assembled value will be approximately 70 percent.
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07-27-2005, 11:35 AM
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pictures............... please
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07-27-2005, 12:59 PM
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Wow !! Great news  Finally it's official
Porsche's total in-vestment in the new model line, including development, will be more than Euro 1 billion and will come entirely from the company’s own funds. Expected sales are at least 20,000 units a year...
...Porsche will develop and build the Panamera using the com-pany's own resources. "We will be developing a separate platform for our fourth model line at our Weissach R&D center,” said Wiedeking. “There are no plans for a joint venture with another car maker, but to ensure the profitability of this new model line we will cooperate more closely than so far with selected system suppliers."
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1 billion and a unique platform !?! that's impressive for such a small manufacturer :shock: But they will be sure it will be 100 % Porsche
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07-27-2005, 01:40 PM
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Four-door coupé's a bad idea, i think. I still think CLS is a very nice saloon/sedan.
But then again even webster defines a coupé as "usually coupe : a 2-door automobile often seating only two persons; also : one with a tight-spaced rear seat" so you can probably have a 4-door coupé...like a saloon/sedan, but with cramped rear-seats.
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07-27-2005, 02:39 PM
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this latest pic looks good
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07-27-2005, 07:21 PM
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2009 is so far away! They should keep those things secret untill the very last moment to avoid us wondering about its shape for 3 years :roll:
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07-27-2005, 08:34 PM
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hehe, thanks for the update on this car  and its definately a very good thing the platform wont be cross-shared
by the way, is the 4 seater further beyond its 'deep freeze' state you mentioned earlier? that one seems like it would fit in somewhere near 2007 as a 2008 model?
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07-28-2005, 03:34 AM
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Found two other ( photoshopped) pics - not quite sure if I like it

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07-28-2005, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by thamar
Actually it's not that ridiculous, friend of mine has LPG on his V70R. With the LPG he can put out 330bhp without a problem, on normal fuel about 300. But then again, he put more attention to the lpg system, because he never rides on normal. Only for cold starts during winter.
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we dont have LPG here, is it something like a more pure form of petrol, being that its collected from the vapour?
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07-29-2005, 01:51 PM
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^^^
It's not really petrol vapour. It's just a higher fraction of the distillation of crude oil. It's more volatile as petrol but less lubricative.
In an oil refinery crude oil is distillated in different fractions. The higher fractions are more volatile and the lower fractions are more lubricative. An incomplete and short list of the different fractions from high to low are:
LPG
petrol
petroleum (jet fuel)
diesel/fuel oil
heavy fuel oil
asphalt and bitumen
So it's basically the gas version of petrol. But it's less lubricative and there is less energy stored in LPG compared to regular petrol. But if you consume a bit more, you have the same power output as with regular petrol. Certainly if the LPG system works with injectors instead of the older vaporizers. On the other hand, it's more eco friendly and thus cheaper in some countries with high taxes on petrol. Chemically spoken, it contains primarily butane and propane, whereas petrol contains longer and heavier hydrocarbons.
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