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Old 03-21-2007, 06:54 PM   #16
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Don't compete with rwd cars except when the rwd cars are weighted down in spec classes.
FWD= inferior to rwd for the race track. Easily proveable with any simple physics knowledge. Ask the front tires to do everything and they give out alot quicker.
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Old 03-21-2007, 06:55 PM   #17
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^^What about WTCC? ( non Bmw then)! :shock:
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Old 03-21-2007, 06:56 PM   #18
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WTCC is a great example of using weight to make the fwd competitive. I still think its a case of spec making them useful. Id never build a fwd race car. Just a waste imho. I don't tend to care for the racing series that use fwd either.

FYI: WTCC allows a lower overall weight requirement for fwd cars over that of rwd and awd.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:07 PM   #19
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^^ Ah I see..

Well you do have a point since the Bimmers always seem to win..
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:12 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by graywolf624
WTCC is a great example of using weight to make the fwd competitive. I still think its a case of spec making them useful. Id never build a fwd race car. Just a waste imho. I don't tend to care for the racing series that use fwd either.
Well, that doesn't mean that there haven't been great FWD racing cars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Ro..._in_motorsport

The Xsara Kit Car that won tarmac rallies beating all the WRC cars:

1999 Tour de Corse:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_Corse

1999 Rally Catalunya:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_Catalunya

etc, etc.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:18 PM   #21
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The Xsara Kit Car that won tarmac rallies beating all the WRC cars:
A rally is not a race track. A rally is a rally. Even with tarmac theres a completely different style of driving and setup required.


Weight comment again.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:20 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by graywolf624

FYI: WTCC allows a lower overall weight requirement for fwd cars over that of rwd and awd.
WTCC doesn't allow AWD. Anyway:

The minimum weight of the car, including the driver and his full
equipment, is :
- 1110 kg for a front-wheel drive car the gearbox of which is
original and homologated in Group N,
- 1140 kg for a front-wheel drive car the gearbox of which is
homologated in VK Super 2000,
- 1140 kg for a rear-wheel drive car the gearbox of which is original
and homologated in Group N,
- 1170 kg for a rear-wheel drive car the gearbox of which is
homologated in VK Super 2000.

As all the FWD use sequential gearboxes and the BMWs (except for Zanardi's car) use manual gearboxes, the minimum weight is the same for all the cars.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:27 PM   #23
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As all the FWD use sequential gearboxes and the BMWs (except for Zanardi's car) use manual gearboxes, the minimum weight is the same for all the cars.
Uhh..
Thats the minimum weight.. But they add additional weight for the cars that win. The bmws are no longer allowed at the minimum. Either way your handicapping the cars in favor of fwd, and the results are still rwd wins.
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The Alfa Romeo 155 DTM V6 was AWD
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:35 PM   #25
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he Alfa Romeo 155 DTM V6 was AWD
Your not helping his position lol.
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Originally Posted by TopGearNL
The Alfa Romeo 155 DTM V6 was AWD
Yes, and the nose-heavy, understeery Audi A4s that dominated Super Touring.

graywolf624 said that "It only applies to fwd cars, which don't belong on a race track"

Maybe some RWD or AWD cars are a little bit faster than FWD, and Priaulx is a master at Macao that's why he always win the Championship in the last date, but that statement graywolf posted it's too radical and not true.
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^^ I said it because you said this

Well, that doesn't mean that there haven't been great FWD racing cars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Ro..._in_motorsport
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:48 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by graywolf624
he Alfa Romeo 155 DTM V6 was AWD
Your not helping his position lol.
It was meant in your favor
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:08 PM   #29
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Enjoy the power of a proper tuned Civic


FF rulez!
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:40 PM   #30
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but it's true they're FWD just because it's the cheapest you can get. For sure we would love to drive a Clio V6 Trophy
Exactly.

Maybe some RWD or AWD cars are a little bit faster than FWD, and Priaulx is a master at Macao that's why he always win the Championship in the last date, but that statement graywolf posted it's too radical and not true.
All other things equal, the rwd will always be better then fwd for road racing.
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