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st-anger · 09-07-2003, 02:11 PM

the episode was really a special one, high speed runs at Nardo featuring MTM RS6, Brabus SV12, a tuned Maserati, MTM Audi Bimoto and one of my favourites a Techart Porsche GT street S.
as far as i could remember the MTM RS6 ended up with a blown up engine, just before it reached 177mph but the head of MTM Mr.Roland Meyr declared that it can reach 190mph. the Maserati reached 181,4mph, the SV12 203mph although Brabus estimated 205+mph. the Porsche reached 208mph although it should have reached 217mph. the fastest`d been the Bimoto with 232,3mph but MTM declared that it`ll be able to reach 248+mph. AMS is already working on another highspeed supercar test at Nardo so we`ll have to wait and see...

0-60/0-124 test:

Porsche: 3.9 sec / 11.1 sec
SV12: 4.5 sec / 13.9 sec
Maserati: 4.9 sec / 13.9 sec
Bimoto and RS6: no test due to engine problems

but the main reason why to watch that episode had been the vid of the "comparison" between the CGT, Enzo and Gallardo. thanks to god most of the time the CGT was shown and a little interview with Walter Röhrl: "the CGT is a pure racecar with it`s mid-engine layout. the body only makes very few movements has nearly no side inclination and has a very neutral handling."
some onboad driving, passing the camera before a corner, very nice drifting sequences and the sound....truely amazing for ppl who see the CGT for the first time in action.
the Enzo and the Gallardo....wasn`t really interested....just gimme that CGT !!!

SFDMALEX · 09-07-2003, 02:33 PM

The CGT 20sec faster LOOOOOOOOL. 20 sec is huge, huge, huge.

BTW Why did they put the Galardo in that test? The car isnt even close to the performance of the CGT or the Enzo.

st-anger · 09-09-2003, 04:50 PM

http://www2.porsche.de/german/deu/ne...03/default.htm

click "weltpremieren" and GT3RS......very good video....

TT · 09-09-2003, 05:15 PM

Great video! Dang, the original one seems so small

1zippo1 · 09-10-2003, 05:01 AM

Indeed a nice video!! Thx for the link st-ranger.

Does anyone know the exact specs of the GT3 RS? I wonder if it's much better then the normal GT3 or if it's just a attempt from Porsche to draw the publics attention because the old 911 RS was so famous.

Imre · 09-10-2003, 05:07 AM

Nice video but the backround music sucks.If you want specs you should find those from Porsches website.I know that the rs is lighter than the gt3.

TT · 09-10-2003, 05:08 AM

Well, first of all the RS serves as an homologation model for various GT championships, so this is its main purpose. The engine is the same, it has around 380 hp, 0-62 mph 4,4s and top end will be around 190 mph, but the car is more than 100 lbs lighter, ence a best power to weight ratio.

1zippo1 · 09-10-2003, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by TT

Well, first of all the RS serves as an homologation model for various GT championships, so this is its main purpose. The engine is the same, it has around 380 hp, 0-62 mph 4,4s and top end will be around 190 mph, but the car is more than 100 lbs lighter, ence a best power to weight ratio.

Aha, interesting

Haven't found the time to be up to date on everything in the car world lately.

Thx TT!!

st-anger · 09-10-2003, 07:56 AM

as TT said, there are quite some differences between the GT3 and RS. the 2004 RS should be the base of the successor of today`s international GT cup GT3.
the power to weight ratio is 4.86kg/kw wich is four percent better than the p.t.w.r. of the GT3 clubsport. although the DIN weight of the RS is only ~1350kg a Ferrari CS has a DIN weight of 1280kg, but Porsche advises not to take the optional A/C because without it the car is 20-30kg lighter. also the optional xenon headlights are not that good for ppl who`d like to drive it on the track only, because due to accidents or little stones on the track they might get damaged and to change them is quite expensive. not many ppl are going to install PCCBs because when racing only on tracks the wear rate of the pads is quite high, and just look at the Cup GT3`s. no PCCBs at all, although they`d be a lot lighter. the 2004 RS is delivered with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires as standard equipment, so on the one hand very high gs can be achieved ( e.g. 1.4gs with a M3 CSL ) but on the other hand again a high wear rate of the tyres.
the street version features some details which are exactely the same as in the upcomming race version, like the complete wheel carriers, shared transversal axis at front and rear axis, enhanced chassis geometry, rear window made of acryl, bonnet and rear wing made of carbon, also the connection between engine and gearbox takes place over a one-mass flywheel which has a smaller rotation mass than a two-mass flywheel.
the engine is nearly the same as in the GT3, the redline is at 8200rpm, it has a hp / Liter ratio of 105.83 hp, which is the same as in the GT3 but a special air collector under the rear wing provides more air to the engine, so that it can provide better power at high speeds. concerning speed, the RS is a bit cross-wind susceptibly at speeds over 155mph. 0-124mph: ~14sec. 0-60 and top speed as TT said. the handling is quite different between full and empty tank, so to sum it all up the overall handling is really compareable with a Cup race GT3. but it`s also driveable in everydays life, not just like the 964RS which carries the slogan: on the track unbeatable, on the way to the track undriveable...

1zippo1 · 09-10-2003, 08:03 AM

Ah ok. Now I must be up to date after all that info

Damn St-ranger you really follow everything going on at Porsche.

So basically, the car will be different from the normal GT3 (lighter and more race-efficient).

st-anger · 09-10-2003, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by 1zippo1

Ah ok. Now I must be up to date after all that info

Damn St-ranger you really follow everything going on at Porsche.

concerning "following everything", some GOOD news, some of you might find interesting...

i can`t promise you anything guys, but there`s something happening next month... 8)

^^^^^ :shock: :shock: :shock:

i´ll keep you up to date.... BUT...

....late october might get hotter than the whole summer....

Imre · 09-10-2003, 10:00 AM

I thougt that I know something about porsche but you st-anger are a real Porsche guru.

1zippo1 · 09-10-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by st-anger

Originally Posted by 1zippo1

Ah ok. Now I must be up to date after all that info

Damn St-ranger you really follow everything going on at Porsche.

concerning "following everything", some GOOD news, some of you might find interesting...

i can`t promise you anything guys, but there`s something happening next month... 8)

^^^^^ :shock: :shock: :shock:

i´ll keep you up to date.... BUT...

....late october might get hotter than the whole summer....

Now you made me curious. Is it possible that they will go racing with the CGT as I hoped... (because Lambo and Masarti most probably will).

PS: what do those ^^^^^^ mean???

st-anger · 09-10-2003, 01:36 PM

...nice guess zippo but something like that might happen some years later...

- CGT infos -

after the press days of the IAA ( 09. + 10.09.2003 ) international press`ll be able to testdrive the CGT, so the earliest dates are later this week or beginning next week.
so far seven CGT`s ( no final production versions !!! ) are ready to drive, mainly for PR events and press. i know about one confirmed test drive of the CGT from AMS, comming into stores on 17th of sept. i`ll review it for you, and tell you the most important details.
it has also been said, that the first 1000+ orders are confirmed, and Porsche estimates that after the IAA nearly all 1500 units are sold or someone has an option on it. the first customer cars will start in production in late october at a rate of only two cars per day. this is not only because it`s hand made, but the provider of the carbon fiber body, an italian specialist, also delivers Ferrari for the Enzo with carbon fiber parts. next year the production`ll be three cars a day ( exactely 2.7 cars ) because then the production of the 299 Enzos will be finished.

i don`t know if anyone is interested into business matters but well, here we go:

- Porsche sales figures -

although the economic situation in germany is bad as hell and the economical overall situation is also weak, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG achieved strong growth during the 2002/03 fiscal year. all the criticizer disappeared, because the Cayenne proved to be a motor for growth, with its excellent road dynamics and off-road capabilities the Cayenne earned worldwide praise and resulted in successful sales.
so sales rose by 23.2 percent to 66,803 vehicles in all, which are 12,569 units more than in the previous year.
73,284 cars were produced altogether, 33,1 percent more than in the previous year (55,050 units).
new sales and profit records were achieved as well. the Porsche Group’s turnover went up by 15 percent to 5.6 billion € (4.86 billion € in the previous year). there was also a significant increase in profit before taxes, despite the investment needed for the start of Cayenne production and its world-wide market launch.
despite the uncertain economic situation, Porsche is optimistic about the current 2003/04 fiscal year. new versions of its 911 model, including the Carrera 4S convertible, Turbo convertible, the GT3 RS and the “911 40th anniversary” special edition will contribute new sales impetus. the high-performance Carrera GT sports car will be the high-end addition to the sports car range. Porsche expects its sales and turnover to continue to rise, especially as a result of the addition of a six-cylinder version to the Cayenne model program.

Imre · 09-10-2003, 01:57 PM

to st-anger:I`v heard that cayenne is going to get a facelift at the end of the 2004 year because it does not fulfill the expectations.Is it true or not?