SA Supertest Corvette C6 test results

[RC45]

Originally Posted by gucom Yes there are - if there were not, the 3 cars would have been released the same day so according to you, the fact that there were a couple of years between base C5 and Z06 also means that there was an extensive race program and that race car was turned into the Z06...yeah makes sense

No - and stop for a moment and think - there is no such thing as a Corvette Challenge car provided to race campaigners that is developed and improved by the factory for use in a single make series.

And if you clowns seem to think that "a Challenge car" is a street car with no muffler you are rather mistaken - all those incremental changes, like wheels, brakes, shocks, seats, body panels etc etc make the car a race-orientated development.

No such Corvette was ever produced. There is a dedicated race car developed from the street car platform that, in C5 form has not "been reinroduced to streets" with all the little lessons applied.

Why do you folks always have to come in and conduct these stupid arguments where you simply overlook the facts and logic and common sense just because you want your precious Ferrari of Porsche to remain looking good.? :roll:

Maybe I should go and maintain stupid assinine arguments in the "Italian" forum. :roll:

Originally Posted by gucom All those incrmental changes you mention, are as result of very careful analysis of race results and a myriad options. and nothing like that happens for the Z06? not 1 little part of the experiences of the C6R will be put into hte Z06?? lets, just for fun, real the catalog about the Z06 when it comes out, ok?

Actually - since you want to pretend to know whats what, the C6 Z06 is strongly based on lessons learned and progress made by GM, the C5R teams and engine tuners during the years the C5R was campained.

Exactly the same way the F430 has been built on what has been learned from the 360 life cycle - upto and including all those special race-developed electronic gizmos, without which the F430 would just be an expensive Alfa. :roll:

Originally Posted by gucom There is a reason a 360 Challange is a gutted non-street-legal car - and there is a reason why the CS is as spartan and singl;e purpose as it is. ok here's the secret: WEIGHT IS SLOW so they stripped as much weight as possible from both cars, no rocket science in that

You still don't get it then. The ability to remove, lighten and engineer the better lighter version is as a result of these special incremental changes in fucking other words the results of a number of years R&D

Originally Posted by gucom "Spiritually Comparable" cars - wow - that's a new one, at least you didn't the HP/L or valvle train layout argument i think you understand that what i meant is they are comparable in spirit, in the goal they have, although you obviously dont agree with me on that

Stupid reasoning - just injected so you can win because all Corvettes must suck.

If that is the case, then I am going to say the C6 Z06 shares the spirit of the Boxster but performs better than a 911TT. :roll:

Wow - the Z06 surpasses it's goal 100 fold. :roll:

Know what? If it's so hard to just graciously give credit for a worldclasss car that does EVERYTHING a well as the best - don't say anything

:roll:

Either way - at the end of the day, no matter what you say, the C5 Z06 and C6 Z06 will not slow down, or lose power or gain braking distance or decrease cornering G's generated.

The cars are as good as they are - whether you folks care to admit or not.

The results speak for them selves.

[SFDMALEX]

Originally Posted by RC45 Why do you folks always have to ome in and conduct these stupid fucking arguments where you simply overlook the fcats and logic and common sense just because you want your precious Ferrai of Porsche to remain looking good.? :roll: Maybe I should go and maintian stupid assinine arguments in the "Italian" forum. :roll:

Your the one with the stupid arguments here....making it sound like the 360CM is some huge devolpment. Sorry to brake your heart but take a time from a track that the series took place at in 2001 and in 2003 and its going to be that same track time :roll:

[RC45]

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX Originally Posted by RC45 Why do you folks always have to ome in and conduct these stupid fucking arguments where you simply overlook the fcats and logic and common sense just because you want your precious Ferrai of Porsche to remain looking good.? :roll: Maybe I should go and maintian stupid assinine arguments in the "Italian" forum. :roll: Your the one with the stupid arguments here....making it sound like the 360CM is some huge devolpment. Sorry to brake your heart but take a time from a track that the series took place at in 2001 and in 2003 and its going to be that same track time :roll:

The car is a development, and to deny this is just to uphold a pointless argument.

[Ghostbat]

Think of the Lingenfelter Twin Turbo as the GT2 of Vettes... - that's a monster ehehe

Why? Don't compare an external company to a inhouse tuned car. Compare Lingenfelter to Ruf or Techart instead..

BTW RC45 seems like I'm not the only one that thinks Vettes are plastic..

[SFDMALEX]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by SFDMALEX Originally Posted by RC45 Why do you folks always have to ome in and conduct these stupid fucking arguments where you simply overlook the fcats and logic and common sense just because you want your precious Ferrai of Porsche to remain looking good.? :roll: Maybe I should go and maintian stupid assinine arguments in the "Italian" forum. :roll: Your the one with the stupid arguments here....making it sound like the 360CM is some huge devolpment. Sorry to brake your heart but take a time from a track that the series took place at in 2001 and in 2003 and its going to be that same track time :roll: The car is a development, and to deny this is just to uphold a pointless argument.

Im not denying jack shit. go look at the lap times. case closed.

[SFDMALEX]

Originally Posted by Ghostbat Why? Don't compare an external company to a inhouse tuned car. Compare Lingenfelter to Ruf or Techart instead..

That wont help is argument.

You see certain people like to bend rules to help them achieve their goals, but when its dont by the other party its scream bloody murder, or whatever the expresion is...

[RC45]

Originally Posted by Ghostbat Think of the Lingenfelter Twin Turbo as the GT2 of Vettes... - that's a monster ehehe Why? Don't compare an external company to a inhouse tuned car. Compare Lingenfelter to Ruf or Techart instead.. BTW RC45 seems like I'm not the only one that thinks Vettes are plastic..

It was a facetious sarcastic remark. :roll:

Considering the Z06 doesn't need to be super or turbo charged to clock a lot faster lap times than many.

Sure- ignorant stereotypes are all over - by signing up you don't validate them - you just perpetuate ignoarnce.

Either way - at the end of the day, no matter what you say, the C5 Z06 and C6 Z06 will not slow down, or lose power or gain braking distance or decrease cornering G's generated.

The cars are as good as they are - whether you folks care to admit or not.

The results speak for them selves.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by SFDMALEX Originally Posted by RC45 Why do you folks always have to ome in and conduct these stupid fucking arguments where you simply overlook the fcats and logic and common sense just because you want your precious Ferrai of Porsche to remain looking good.? :roll: Maybe I should go and maintian stupid assinine arguments in the "Italian" forum. :roll: Your the one with the stupid arguments here....making it sound like the 360CM is some huge devolpment. Sorry to brake your heart but take a time from a track that the series took place at in 2001 and in 2003 and its going to be that same track time :roll: The car is a development, and to deny this is just to uphold a pointless argument. Im not denying jack shit. go look at the lap times. case closed.

Sure - no software upgrades... no material changes, no component improvements - yeah sure. The cars from 2001 are the same / no adjustent. no part changes, no updates to become the 2003 cars.

If you say so.

[gucom]

You still don't get it then. The ability to remove, lighten and engineer the better lighter version is as a result of these special incremental changes in fucking other words the results of a number of years R&D

yeah totally, putting in CF body panels, light seats, and removing loads of luxury items really took alot of R&D didnt it...maybe for GM it would, but on this side of hte pond it takes about 10secs to figure that out (no offence, i just wanna know what it feels like to make stupid comments, so i can understand the things RC is saying at times better)

and just for the record, the Z06's engine is almost twice as big as the 911's or the 360's. Now i dont use it as a way to blame it or say it's not worth as much, but they just use 3 very different ways to make the power(displacement, refinement/revs, and turbocharging). im in general in favour of the high revs approach, but of these 3 cars i'd pick a 911 turbo.
anywayz, for hte 2nd time in this topic, i dont think of the corvette as a bad car or anything, once again its a great car, different than others, not my type, but still great. i never said otherwise.

also, as said before, the GT2 isnt even close to the lingenfelter in concept/spirit/function/whatever you wanna call it...try putting the lingenfelter against the 9ff, they're closer to each other

[RC45]

At 6600rpm for the LS6 and 7000rpm for the LS7 that seem to do quite ok in the rev department thanks.

[graywolf624]

C6 does it in 8:15

Where the hell are you getting this number?

Every source Ive seen on the c6 is 7m 56s.. Maybe that source was confused but considering the c5 zo6 did run a 7m 56 I think theres a better chance pigs fly then the c6 only ran a 815.


7m 40 is not light years beyond that but its an improvment.

said before, the GT2 isnt even close to the lingenfelter in concept/spirit/function/whatever you wanna call it...try putting the lingenfelter against the 9ff, they're closer to each other

I have to disagree considering lingenfelter already has a 7xx hp vette and rumours of a 1000 hp one..

[RC45]

A little F360 History for the "Ferrari Challenged" -- sure, they are all basically the same car, just one has no muffler and the other has an expensive stripe.

http://www.qv500.com/ferrari360p1.php

By 1999, Ferrari considered their much-loved and hugely accomplished 355 ready for replacing, a bold move as many thought it the marques best junior supercar ever. Adopting new materials and construction methods, Ferrari started designing the 355's successor from scratch, Pininfarina doing their part by creating bodywork that was a complete departure from its illustrious predecessors. Available as a Berlinetta (Modena) or Spider, the 360 comes equipped with either a standard six-speed manual gearbox or Ferrari’s optional semi-automatic F1 transmission.

http://www.qv500.com/ferrari360p3.php

For the 2000 Challenge Trophy series, Ferrari turned their stock 360 Modena F1 into a stripped-out racer. Scratch built and specially prepared by the factory, previous Challenge variants had often left Maranello as road cars and subsequently been enhanced with Ferrari's official retro-fit packs. However, Ferrari wanted to produce a substantially quicker machine than the outgoing 355 and decided the 360 Challenge should be built from the ground up as a track car. In the quest for lightness, they removed all the upholstery, the air-conditioning system, all glass bar the windscreen (replaced with Lexan), the sound insulation, airbags and passenger seat. Lightweight doors got sliding Lexan windows, there were lightweight bumpers front and rear, a drilled aluminium tail facia, the Maranello engineers even removing the handbrake. As a result, at 1170kg, the 360 Challenge weighs in at 150kg less than the 355 it replaces and 120kg less than the series production 360 Modena (1290kg). Set up modifications include a custom Brembo braking system, specially developed sway bars and coil springs, enhanced suspension, reinforced mounting points and unique 18-inch BBS racing wheels on slick Pirelli tyres. Mechanical improvements are limited with the Tipo F131B engine remaining standard except for the removal of its air-conditioning system, the arrival of more stealthy mounting points and smaller mufflers and catalytic converters. A heavy duty racing clutch combined with reworked gearbox software has produced even quicker shifts than the standard F1 unit. Finally, stripped out interiors feature a roll cage with side impact bars, quick-fill 100-litre FIA fuel cell's, an OMP racing seat with six-point harness, a three-spoke padded steering wheel, a digital Magnetti Marelli dash and an automatic fire extinguishing system.

http://www.qv500.com/ferrari360p4.php

With the 360 Modena nearly four years old and Ferrari wanting to homologate some improvements for their GTC racer, this car was introduced, the Challenge Stradale. Weighing in at just 20kg more than the Challenge, it features a host of aero and mechanical refinements that combine to make it 3.5 seconds faster around Fiorano than a stock Modena. New titanium wheel bolts and damper springs increase resistance to roll and dip and have made directional changes more rapid. The damper settings themselves have been re-rated to provide a 15mm lower centre of gravity while a particularly advanced multi-axial carbon floorpan is 50% lighter than before and also increases rigidity. Perhaps the most significant arrival though are carbon brakes as standard. Developed initially for use in Formula 1, these carbon-ceramic discs are combined with new aluminium brake carriers, the 19-inch Challenge-style BBS alloy wheels being secured by titanium bolts and shod with Pirelli P Zero Corsa tyres designed specifically for this car. At the same time, Ferrari's engine revisions are no less mouth-watering, peak output of the now familiar 3.6-litre V8 having been raised from 400 to 425bhp at an identical 8500rpm. Designated Tipo 131, this reworked motor is riddled with improvements like new heads and pistons that allow an increase in compression to 11.2:1, low-friction cylinder blocks also being used. There's a new intake manifold, revised intake timing, a low counter-pressure exhaust silencer and re-positioned valve-springs, the transmission additionally coming in for some serious attention. Only available with the F1-style paddle change, the Challenge Stradale box has a faster processing speed that reduces change times to just 150 milliseconds when operating in Race mode. There are once again two alternative gear-change configurations (Sport and Race), each of which corresponds to an integrated car-control logic regarding damper set-up and traction control (ASR). In Race mode and with the ASR disengaged, there's a launch control facility as used in Formula 1, a feature designed to give drivers the fastest possible start in good grip conditions. Pininfarina's bodywork has come under serious scrutiny, a revised aero pack resulting in a gain of 50% more vertical load being generated and allowing for much faster cornering speeds. This has been achieved by adopting a modified front bumper that extends below the air intakes to increase downforce at the front, deeper side sills streamlining the rear wheels and contributing significantly to improving the cars efficiency and balance. Additional downforce is generated at the back by a subtly re-profiled tailgate whilst oval cooling vanes now surround the engine cover. Inside, carbon racing seats are upholstered in high-grip cloth or leather and fitted either with four-point harnesses or traditional safety belts. Customers can also choose between sliding Lexan windows or electric glass items. The door panels and centre console are made entirely of carbon fibre whilst all carpeting is discarded in favour of a racing-style cabin with just rubber mats for comfort. Located in the centre of the instrument binnacle, the rev counter becomes the drivers main point of reference and is emphasised by the yellow graphics and red indicator that ensure optimum contrast and legibility. The entire panel is enclosed within a carbon-fibre element and fronted by a new flat top steering wheel with an extended right-hand side gear-change paddle to make changing up easier when exiting corners. All told, this equates to a weight saving of some 110kg over a stock Modena and explains the dramatic improvement in performance. Cost options include a radio, tricolour centre stripe, fire extinguisher and an aluminium roll-cage, this being 40% lighter than a conventional type and developed specifically for the Stradale. A practically limitless range of paint and interior colour combinations allow buyers to order a genuinely bespoke motorcar, but at £133,000, the base price is already well above the original Modena. Nevertheless, launched during March 2003 at the Geneva Salon, the first deliveries were made that October and the car has been a great success no doubt thanks to its homologation special status.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by graywolf624 C6 does it in 8:15 Where the hell are you getting this number? Every source Ive seen on the c6 is 7m 56s.. 7m 40 is not light years beyond that but its an improvment. said before, the GT2 isnt even close to the lingenfelter in concept/spirit/function/whatever you wanna call it...try putting the lingenfelter against the 9ff, they're closer to each other I have to disagree considering lingenfelter already has a 7xx hp vette and rumours of a 1000 hp one..

I have always called BS on the 7m56s for the C6 and it turns out it was a C6 mule, pre-production car etc etc - I think ti was a pre-prod Z06 but with no word of C6 specs yet, Dave Hill flat out lied

The C6 is still just a hairdressers car

[graywolf624]

C5 z06 sub 8 second time..

http://www.gm.com/cgi-bin/pr_display.pl?4060

I have always called BS on the 7m56s for the C6 and it turns out it was a C6 mule, pre-production car etc etc - I think ti was a pre-prod Z06 but with no word of C6 specs yet, Dave Hill flat out lied

Hey if ford can give everyone (magazines) ford gt ringers.. lol...

Sides even if it didnt run a 7 56 you and I both know it ran way better then 8:15.. thats c5 z51 territory.

[RC45]

I will research, but I seem to rememebr the "special" Commerative Edition Europe got had non-runflat GY F1's and was better than the Z51 in the US - it is this special Euro CE version that set the C5 Coupe time of 8m18s.

I am wondering if the GY runcraps on teh C6 Z51 just suck that bad they are only good for 8m15s even with 400hp on tap

BTW - I am guessing posting facts about the heritage of the F360 has scared off the Vette-haters