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geekdiggy · 03-23-2004, 08:20 AM

we all know where this thread is going...

fishfreek · 03-23-2004, 09:57 AM

The market also governs what jobs are outsourced and what jobs are inhouse. With Dell for example thy had such shitty service from their indian tech support outsourcing that just a few weeks ago I got promised that ALL tech support for higher education and govenment was being moved back state side.

I find it apauling to get someone on the other end of a tech support call whom speaks english as a second language.

Dont even get me started on those fucking POS welfare families. There are way to many lazy, fat assed people who have made a carear of being on welfare. Baby makers that are pregnant more than they are not prgenant. And each kid brings even more socal service help to a point where they acutally are told they cant get a job because they cant be away from the kids for that long.

I dont have a problem with welfare to those who need it on the short term but those who make a living out of being on welfare. Well they can go off to some fucking island to die for all i care.

blah · 03-23-2004, 11:37 AM

Well fish those people are bieng kicked off now. But most welfare if im not mistaken goes to business's, but its named something else i forget the name right now. O and i was undert he impression that dells service for government and higher was always here, when i call for my moms work laptop I always get an American, it whens i call for my dads pc when i get problems. I mean 5 fucking times for a replacement sound card. The dumbasss sent me out a Resource CD the first time, after i told him the sound card was done.

fishfreek · 03-23-2004, 11:46 AM

blah, Not sure but from my conversation with our colleges account executive with Dell he said from the feedback they had gotten they where pulling education and gvt support back to the US based employees and that there would be a ramping up period of time as they rehire all those employees they layed off before.

We have direct access to 'level 2' techs here and we do most of our ordering online so we dont talk to tech support very often but when we do its something that seriously has us stumped.

Its so nice being able to go in online and dispatch a harddrive or motherboard, etc to us with out having to fight some idiot support person who is reading his troubleshooting guide book.

nthfinity · 03-23-2004, 05:19 PM

there are a great many problems with outsourcing jobs. traditionally, most of these jobs were of the manufacturing area, and primarily blue coller. IBM had recently announced intentions to move a large number of its white coller to india, causing a possible first for white coller unions.

a large problem i have, as a full time student at a public university is the shear number for foriegners who are sent here by their parents who dont pay a lick of taxes that could go to the schools we do, and at WMU, all that is required for in state tuition is 1 fucking year, while my parents have been paying taxes in michigan for 35+ years, and both graduated from public schools.
i hate that, and i feel serously shafted when tuition rates keep rising because a lack of enough funding. fuck, the ratios of us- (primarily indian, asian) has gone the *wrong direction....

fishfreek · 03-23-2004, 06:59 PM

The only people that benifit from outsorcing is the country that the outsourcing is done to and sometimes the greedy pockets of the executives who made the decision.

03-23-2004, 07:05 PM

I dont like it whe i call a 1800# to talk to someone about my phone problem i dont want to talk to some middle easterner that i cant understand.

other than that i really dont care.

i didnt read any of the post but it looks like a lot of other people cares. well thats good that some people care.

as for me i can always make money in the U.S. i still know people that have a very profitable project that will always be in demand

graywolf624 · 03-23-2004, 08:02 PM

The only people that benifit from outsorcing is the country that the outsourcing is done to and sometimes the greedy pockets of the executives who made the decision.

Wrong. From economics we know that we all benefit. We spend less for the products we buy because costs are less. The country too gains cash. Everyone wins as a whole, albeit some individuals lose. Greedy pockets is kind of funny. Cause in reality capitalism only works because of greed and communism/socialism can't work because of it.

spicymustard · 03-23-2004, 08:34 PM

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The only people that benifit from outsorcing is the country that the outsourcing is done to and sometimes the greedy pockets of the executives who made the decision.

Wrong. From economics we know that we all benefit. We spend less for the products we buy because costs are less. The country too gains cash. Everyone wins as a whole, albeit some individuals lose. Greedy pockets is kind of funny. Cause in reality capitalism only works because of greed and communism/socialism can't work because of it.

This is true, well mostly the greed part could use some revision. Any one that does not support free trade is a stinky hippy.

Then again I am an economics major so have been programed to support the capitalist system we (those not living in Finland, Sweeden, China, France, looks like Spain now, the Netherlands, etc) live in. (not that any of those countries are bad I love Paris, and who does not like Amsterdam. They just have heavy inefficient welfare states that depress growth and Free trade) Hope I did not piss off anyone.

blah · 03-23-2004, 09:21 PM

how are we gonna harbor the fruits of the cheaper goods, if we cant afford the goods, cuz we dont have a steady secure job?

Zonda11 · 03-24-2004, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by fishfreek

The only people that benifit from outsorcing is the country that the outsourcing is done to and sometimes the greedy pockets of the executives who made the decision.

Ya, It's all about the executives making even more money. The indians will work for an amount that is considered a good salary in their country......but, that amount is easily less that what companies like Dell would have to pay Americans.

graywolf624 · 03-24-2004, 12:39 AM

how are we gonna harbor the fruits of the cheaper goods, if we cant afford the goods, cuz we dont have a steady secure job?

Yet again. Tech advancement opens up new fields.. and some fields currently are hurting for people. I can guarentee if you live in the right area a hospital would beg you to work for them.
If I had to guess the fields of the future.. quantum computing, information security, potential mars technology, ect.

Ya, It's all about the executives making even more money. The indians will work for an amount that is considered a good salary in their country......but, that amount is easily less that what companies like Dell would have to pay Americans.

Generally executives don't make more money just because their company does. Sure they benefit through options.. but if the ceo sells his options it generally causes a major dip in stock prices before his shares are sold since hes required to announce way ahead of time. It is minimal especially in the wake of the recent crack downs on ceo salaries.

The extra money goes into dividends for shareholders, investment in future technology, investment in other companys, or to pay off companies debts. It also leads eventually to lower prices as all the companies do it and thus must lower their prices to compete.. Competitve companies sell at marginal cost=price. marginal cost is going to fall if they can pay workers less.

blah · 03-24-2004, 01:35 AM

Yea but how many people can just drop what they are doing and go to school for another 8 years, some 12 years. Alot of people who had those mfg jobs didnt go to college.

graywolf624 · 03-24-2004, 01:44 AM

Yea but how many people can just drop what they are doing and go to school for another 8 years, some 12 years. Alot of people who had those mfg jobs didnt go to college.

Yet again.. individuals don't matter.. The whole does. No one said life was fair. To try and correct the situation you will just make the situation worse (from both an individual and country standpoint).

nthfinity · 03-24-2004, 02:52 AM

hmm... i have yet to see the auto industry having products which are cheaper (GM) while sending factory jobs to mexico from michigan.... then again, most GM products have a cheap look/feel to them.
the cheap feel is in a great many of the cars in the other manufacturers as well, but GM generally is seeming to be winning in making cars that dont look fresh. but mabey thats just me
However, I am all about free trade, and expanding buisnesses in capitolism, rather then shifting greatly. although, i know a plant can not run efficiantly in a building which is 100 years old....