why is manual faster than auto ?

[Yablokov]

bah i didnt know audi made the double clutch system ><

[gtx28]

No one tied all this together for our stuidous blip, the automated manual gearbox is supposed to be the best of both worlds atleast that was the premise. You have the best of Manual- 1:1 connection from engine to driveline thru a clutch instead of the variable connection of the lossfull system of a torque converter, control of a manual (sort of) thru your paddle shifters. Automatic- smooth (or what was supposed to be smooth) shifts thru precise clutch engagement- speed and accuracy for shifts. not having to hold a clutch pedal, not having to shift thru gears when crusing or in day to day traffic. The electronics are what make all this happen, there not perfect yet but getting there, I would say that this is probably the way of the future for most cars, and certainly performance cars. This or some form of an electronically actuated and controlled clutch system, as opposed to some system of torque converters.

[Wutputt]

Originally Posted by Ronin005 Originally Posted by thamar I think mostly it is because of the "safe" way that automatic gearboxes work. Make'm to fast, and they'll start to fail... But with VW it's new double clutch system, even the fastest shifting person gets beaten in the upshifts. Not in the downshifts, there the system is slow. its not VW's invention and its not new. it was Audi's invention i believe and it was used in rallying back in the 80s group b days. dsg, as great as it is, i would never buy a car with it, i will take a manual tranny all the time.

Actually the double clutch system was already invented in 1939 by a French engineer. But the real first introduction came from Porsche with its PDK gearbox in the early to 80's, develloped together with ZF for their race cars. This one was also used in the Audi Quattro S1 rally car. The first introduction in to road cars was Audi/VW/BorgWarner/ContiTemic's DSG in 2003.

[ViperASR]

Originally Posted by gbg Originally Posted by ViperASR wow, thats really interesting, i never knew why manual was faster than auto, now i do. Some of you guys really seem to know what you are talking about. I think that eventually manual will become non existent because everyone will want to drive the fast and smooth shifting autos. Look at alot of todays faster cars, some dont even have a manual as an option. I would be not happy at all to drive a fast and smooth shifting auto Ferrari The automatic gearbox is cool for everyday driving, but it does sucks when you want some performance; I'd rather have an auto-manual gearbox (i.e. tiptronic, autostick, etc.), they at least give you some feeling when you floor it

Yea, for racing novices, who dont want to beat up the clutch on a car that they plan to drive for awhile, i think that the auto-manumatic gearbox is the best option. For around town, i still love my manual.

[T-Bird]

Originally Posted by ViperASR Originally Posted by gbg Originally Posted by ViperASR wow, thats really interesting, i never knew why manual was faster than auto, now i do. Some of you guys really seem to know what you are talking about. I think that eventually manual will become non existent because everyone will want to drive the fast and smooth shifting autos. Look at alot of todays faster cars, some dont even have a manual as an option. I would be not happy at all to drive a fast and smooth shifting auto Ferrari The automatic gearbox is cool for everyday driving, but it does sucks when you want some performance; I'd rather have an auto-manual gearbox (i.e. tiptronic, autostick, etc.), they at least give you some feeling when you floor it Yea, for racing novices, who dont want to beat up the clutch on a car that they plan to drive for awhile, i think that the auto-manumatic gearbox is the best option. For around town, i still love my manual.

See the thing is Tiptronic and all those other Autosticks are a fucking joke just like the padel shifters on Pontiacs they will shift for you and when they want to they give barely any human control, you get better control using manual 1-2(sometimes even manual 3) atleast then you can hold it in that gear all day long.