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StanAE86 · 05-25-2006, 12:43 PM

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/ar...00010000000001

dutchmasterflex · 05-25-2006, 12:55 PM

I really don't know what to say about that..

It's really one of those things you had to be in that same situation.. and I've never climbed Mt. Everest (I sure would love to though) but I can imagine how hectic it must be especially when getting close to the summit..

StanAE86 · 05-25-2006, 01:03 PM

But going up...they had to have come back down and passed him again...

I can understand the preparation needed and it being a life goal...but you have a dying human on the side of the path there...

dutchmasterflex · 05-25-2006, 01:50 PM

Yeah.. I hear ya on that. It's fucked up that people have come obsessed with "getting to the top."

This quote realy shows just how heartless those climbers were..

"I walked past David but only because there were far more experienced and effective people than myself to help him," Inglis said. "It was a phenomenally extreme environment; it was an incredibly cold day."

StanAE86 · 05-25-2006, 02:12 PM

I know...it's like you walking past a burning house with someoe passed out on the porch..."well, I didn't stop to help, because the fire department is way better equipped than I am...by the way...it was fukking hot and smokey!" WTF kind of bullshit is that? I would be embarassed to have even admitted that to the press.

I heard that the double amputee was in that same situation and someone saved his ass...this time around, he decided not to pass on the favor. If that's true, kharma is a bitch and that fool better watch out for airplanes falling from the sky. All he cared about was being the first double amputee to make it to the top...nobody is going to care about him anyway. Not after that story about that rock climber who cut off his own arm after he got pinned under a boulder...

I don't see how climbing to the top of the mountain would have been a greater reward than to know you saved the life of a fellow human...and a fellow climber at that. I also want to know WTF with that dude's climbing party that left his ass to die. This is just a fukked up story.

If I ever saw any of you guys needing help, I'd help...except RC45...since that f'er found my latest "Stan" I posted about the CHP wrecking the Ferrari...

Zot09 · 05-27-2006, 06:05 AM

It must be a very different thing once you are up there, just like everyone else is saying, but if you have the capability to help save someones life then it is ludicrous to pass that opportunity up! Especially if it is just because they want to make it to the top! I hope the deceased man is resting in peace.

StanAE86 · 05-27-2006, 11:36 AM

The fact that about 40 people passed him and didn't help....tells me that he's probably not resting in very much peace...

RC45 · 05-27-2006, 12:15 PM

I have watched a few Everest docus on TV, and from what I rememebr them saying is that if you are stricken by some misfoprtune within a 1000ft of the summit, there is really ntothing that can be done to help you. No one has the strength to carry you and other than giving you oxygen all they can do is sit with you and wait for you to either recover, or perish.

Of course walking a way and coming back after the guy is dead is different to sitting with himas he expires, but what would you suggest someone do in that situation?

Has anyone ever been carried down/ rescued from that high before?

Mattk · 06-07-2006, 12:02 PM

Seriously, what could have been done? What were the other climbers to do? Share their oxygen and die? Attempt to carry him down? This isn't your heart attack victim on the street, who you can administer CPR to. This isn't a car crash, where you can call the cops. This is Mt Everest, and it's every man for himself up there. No man can be reasonably expected to help anyone, because just being on Everest requires much strength to survive.

RC45 · 06-07-2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mattk

Seriously, what could have been done? What were the other climbers to do? Share their oxygen and die? Attempt to carry him down? This isn't your heart attack victim on the street, who you can administer CPR to. This isn't a car crash, where you can call the cops. This is Mt Everest, and it's every man for himself up there. No man can be reasonably expected to help anyone, because just being on Everest requires much strength to survive.

Actually - it CAN and SHOULD be expected that if you pass someone on you ASCENT, the decent human thing to do is stop and help and prepare to get the person down.

Hillary was the first guy up - the ONLY person to be the FIRST guy up - every other climber is in it for "personal goals" - and to simply pass someone up and let them die so "you can get to the top" is fucked up... period.

There is a "right thing" to do.. and a "wrong thing" to do... men/women with character will stop their ascent and help.

People with poor character will pass them up to "achieve their personal goal".

I am beginning to see what kind of character you have - and others who aslo so choose.

gucom · 06-07-2006, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by RC45

Originally Posted by Mattk

Seriously, what could have been done? What were the other climbers to do? Share their oxygen and die? Attempt to carry him down? This isn't your heart attack victim on the street, who you can administer CPR to. This isn't a car crash, where you can call the cops. This is Mt Everest, and it's every man for himself up there. No man can be reasonably expected to help anyone, because just being on Everest requires much strength to survive.

Actually - it CAN and SHOULD be expected that if you pass someone on you ASCENT, the decent human thing to do is stop and help and prepare to get the person down.

Hillary was the first guy up - the ONLY person to be the FIRST guy up - every other climber is in it for "personal goals" - and to simply pass someone up and let them die so "you can get to the top" is fucked up... period.

There is a "right thing" to do.. and a "wrong thing" to do... men/women with character will stop their ascent and help.

People with poor character will pass them up to "achieve their personal goal".

I am beginning to see what kind of character you have - and others who aslo so choose.

i completely agree with you here (except maybe on the personal judgement part), it's not right to let some1 die for something that's basically as futile as you standing on a particular piece of ice-covered mountain...

nickthaskater · 06-19-2006, 10:18 AM

I really doubt anyone could have done anything, even if they wanted to. At those altitudes, you have to use every ounce of your being just to move your own body, let alone drag someone elses 'dead' weight down a mountain like Everest. Anyone who did attempt that, while courageous, would just be putting themselves on the brink of disaster. I'm sure the guy understood that you could die going up there, as many people already have, that's part of the risk you accept when you do something like climbing Everest.

That said, if there were some possible way to help him get down the mountain without killing myself in the process, I would definitely hope that I would stand by this comment and actually do it.

nickthaskater · 06-20-2006, 12:21 AM

Where is all your guys' outrage and sympathy for the other ~190 dead people on Everest? I'm sure at least a few of those had eye witnesses like this one.