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Audi R8 24 54.55%
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 20 45.45%
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:41 AM   #1
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Default Audi R8 vs Porsche 911

From Motor Trend:
Head to Head: 2008 Audi R8 vs 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4


Porsche's 911 has had the 24/7 supercar thing pretty much to itself for decades. Ferraris? Until recently, they've been way too fragile. Lamborghinis? Too highly strung. And both cost a fortune to maintain. No, if you wanted a high performance sports car you could use for the daily commute during the week, and a Sunday morning blast on your favorite back-road, it had to be the 911.

Audi's R8 changes all that. With its combination of performance, practicality, stunning looks, and Audi build quality, the R8 is the first serious rival for 911 in decades. So, should Porsche be worried by Audi's new supercar? We had to find out.

We rounded up a manual Carrera 4, figuring the entry-level all-wheel drive 911 would provide a pretty good baseline to work with. Our $82,865 tester (options included metallic paint, bi-xenon headlights, heated front seats and the Bose High End sound package and added $5765 to the base price) might have given away 95hp to the R8 but we wanted a car without PASM or other high-priced options so we could focus on the fundamentals.

Although a European spec car, our photographic R8 (also used for performance testing) was configured with what local Audi execs figure will be the default configuration for US buyers: R tronic transmission, dual mode magnetic ride shocks, and 19 inch wheels. To get the complete R8 picture, we also drove a regular six speed R8 with conventional shocks.

Before either car turns a wheel, the R8 lands a couple solid blows on the 911. Maybe its familiarity breeding contempt, but the aggressive, richly detailed R8 exterior, drawn by Frank Lamberty under the direction of Walter de'Silva, makes the 911 look dumpy and dowdy. Inside, the Porsche's austere, functional cockpit is simply overwhelmed by Audi interior designer Jens Sieber's sumptuous and sophisticated cabin.

The Porsche does boast a couple of occasional rear seats, while the Audi is a strict two-seater, but the benefit for R8 drivers is a lighter and more airy interior (and don't forget the room for two golf bags on the shelf behind the seats). The R8's interior is also the more ergonomic of the two, with better placement of pedals and switchgear (Audi's excellent MMI computer interface is standard) and minor controls that are easier to find and use.

The R8 also punches Porsche hard on the test track, nailing 60mph in just 4.1sec and the quarter mile in 12.6sec. With fewer horses, the Carrera 4 was not unexpectedly slower, taking half a second longer to get to 60, and six tenths longer to cover the quarter mile. Checking back through our records, the R8 is also faster than a 385hp Carrera 4S, but the 480hp 911 Turbo destroys it, nailing 60mph in 3.2sec, and the quarter in 11.4sec.

More impressive than the raw numbers, though, is the R8's demeanor in achieving them. Getting a fast time in a 911 involves side-stepping the clutch and gritting your teeth as the driveline thumps and bangs alarmingly; in the R tronic R8 you just switch off the traction control, squeeze the gas, and jump off the brake - the rear wheels spin briefly, then the car digs deep and lunges for the horizon, exhaust booming like a NASCAR stocker. Hardest part is making sure you fan the right hand paddle just as the tach needle hits 8000, right before the 8250rpm rev limiter snuffs the fire.

Both cars understeer on the race track. Lift off the gas in the R8, though, and the tail will come around in a smooth, clearly telegraphed transition instead of a white-knuckle snap. With the traction control disabled (which automatically lifts the intervention threshold of the stability control) the R8 will drift gently through the turn in a beautifully predictable slide. The Porsche will do the same; the difference is it's a lot harder to balance the car, and the margin for error is a whole lot smaller.



Audi engineers say they wanted the limits of the R8's chassis to be more approachable than those normally associated with the tail heavy Porsche 911. "It starts to rotate [from understeer to oversteer] earlier than a 911," admitted one, "but it's much more controllable." The Audi certainly feels better balanced and more confidence inspiring at the limit than the 911, and there's little evidence to suggest the R8's ultimate dynamic ability has been compromised much - Audi sources claim the R8 has lapped the legendary 14 mile Nurburgring Nordschliefe in 7min 55sec. That's only 13 seconds slower than the time posted by Porsche hot-shoe Walter Rohrl in the lighter, race-face 415hp 911 GT3 last June.

On the road the R8 is smoother, quieter and more refined than the Porsche. The R8's ride is excellent for mid-engine sports car on ultra-low profile tires and there's little difference in the ride quality between the standard and the sport settings with the optional magnetic ride shocks (they work is a similar fashion to those used by GM, using magnetically sensitive fluid to alter the damping rates) although the car turns in more crisply and rolls less in sport mode.

The R8 stops just as well as the Porsche well, too, thanks to the vented and cross-drilled disc brakes all round. The Audi's biggest dynamic weakness is its video-game steering, which just doesn't have the tactility of the 911's. The steering is accurate, but there's little feel or feedback through the helm; unlike the Porsche you have little sense that you're intimately connected to what's going on at the front of the car.

The Porsche has the better transmissions, too. We prefer the refinement of Porsche's Tiptronic auto to the surging R tronic if you want the car to do the thinking for you (though the paddleshift Audi is clearly faster than the regular stick version on the race track because you can left foot brake and change gears with the flick of a finger). And the manual 911's shifter moves with an oily precision no other car can match, least of all the notchy, deliberate unit in the manual R8.

The 911's wonderfully communicative steering and beautiful gearshift are reason enough to stay in love with it. But the R8's combination of easily accessible performance, confident handling, dazzling style, and lavish equipment make it a seductive proposition for drivers who want a genuine supercar they can enjoy every day of the week, any time of day.



1st Place
Audi R8
This car's a real game changer. Almost as fast and exotic looking as a Lamborghini, and as easy to live with as, well, an Audi.

2nd Place
Porsche 911 Carrera 4
No longer the obvious choice. Functional and durable, raw and tactile, but a little dowdy, and you have to be a hero to drive it really fast.

More pics:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/.../photo_01.html

-- Motor Trend always seems to root for the newer car... I really don't think a legend like the 911 could easily topple despite the tough competition. There are probably more comparison tests between the two in most March 2007 magazine issues. And YES, another poll question!
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Old 02-06-2007, 05:01 AM   #2
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I'm kinda fed up with the Porsche.....I voted the R8...mostly because of its amazing looks
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:07 AM   #3
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I voted for the Porsche!

Although the Audi is mid-engined and is faster I despite its looks and with a Porsche you get that full Heritage!

Never get tired of those looks too and if you drive down a street in that everyone knows what it is, with the Audi everyone will go WTF was that

I'd take the 997 S with the 19in wheels and the PASM suspension BTW
Im with you there mate 8)
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:51 PM   #4
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i'll take the Porsche, even though i have to admit the R8 looks heaps better i'm not such an attention whore that i would like to drive around on a daily basis with it.

also a Porsche is a Porsche i just love the brand
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Old 02-06-2007, 06:38 PM   #5
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I took the Audi, I mean it just looks awesome, and according to the article it has great driving abilities
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Old 02-06-2007, 07:40 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by bmw06m6
The R8 and Porsche are the same damn car. I love these inter-brand competitions, pointless.
How are they the same car?
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:10 AM   #7
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i voted the R8, but its an unfair match-up, they shoulda put it against the 911 turbo or 4S... and then it would def. have to be the porsche
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:36 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
Originally Posted by sentra_dude
Originally Posted by bmw06m6
The R8 and Porsche are the same damn car. I love these inter-brand competitions, pointless.
How are they the same car?
They both have 4 wheels..... that's all.








I like the idea that you have to be a hero to drive the porsche fast, sounds dangerous, but that makes it more exciting for me, so I voted Porsche.
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Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
Originally Posted by sentra_dude
Originally Posted by bmw06m6
The R8 and Porsche are the same damn car. I love these inter-brand competitions, pointless.
How are they the same car?
They both have 4 wheels..... that's all.

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Old 02-11-2007, 08:50 AM   #10
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it must've slipped my attention the first time i read the article, but they noted the 911 Turbo hit 60mph in just 3.2 secs?? i mean, i know the car is fast, but THAT fast?
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Old 02-12-2007, 05:10 AM   #11
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I definitely vote for the R8 between these two cars.

The looks are better inside and out, it's more exotic and fresh. And as it looks like the performance is there as well.
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Old 02-13-2007, 08:19 AM   #12
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I would go with the Porsche, but the Audi looks badass.
Funny to see endless stories about the R8 from Las Vegas area.
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Old 06-02-2007, 05:59 AM   #13
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Autozeitung:
1st Place: Audi R8 4.2 FSI
Body: 453
Traveling Comfort: 673
Engine Transmission: 753
Driving Dynamics: 779
Environment / Cost: 213
Total: 2871

2nd Place: Porsche 911 Carrera 4S
Body: 478
Traveling Comfort: 603
Engine Transmission:758
Driving Dynamics: 755
Environment / Cost: 210
Total: 2804

3rd Place: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Body: 441
Traveling Comfort: 629
Engine Transmission: 734
Driving Dynamics: 693
Environment / Cost: 201
Total: 2698

Source:
http://www.autozeitung.de/online/ren...render=0056407

Gallery:
http://www.autozeitung.de/online/ren...ender=overview
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Old 06-02-2007, 07:22 AM   #14
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This is a very unfair comparison price-wise, as the Audi R8 is way more expensive than the Carrera 4.
If had I had to choose between those two cars, I'd obviously have the Audi R8.

A more fair comparison would be Audi R8 vs. Porsche 997 GT3 and then I'd definately pick the GT3...
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