The Truth - Nissan GT-R vs 997 GT2 on the Nurburgring by DR

[leblanc2.0]

And the winner is....

Video - Porsche 997 GT2 Nürburgring Lap
Video - Nissan GT-R Nürburgring Lap

[dutchmasterflex]

nfinity, you might as well just lock this thread now before it gets out of hand.

[mayer]

Originally Posted by dutchmasterflex nfinity, you might as well just lock this thread now before it gets out of hand.

"It could be argued that the conditions suited the Nissan better, but still the Porsche was faster. It also stopped better and showed no sign of brake fade, whereas the Nissan's pedal was becoming very long by the end of the lap."

I don't think anyone here thinks the GT-R sucks, just that Nissan should quit hyping the car and making exaggerated claims. We have a racer here familiar with Ring who couldn't push the car around faster than the GT2 in semi-wet conditions. He also felt he was extracting more from the GT-R than the GT2. How's it going to do sub 7:30?

I agree with the author though. Both cool cars for what they are.

[dutchmasterflex]

GT-R probably had a broken transmission! (Sarcasm)

[5vz-fe]

Maybe Nissan also need to offer these guys performance driving lessons also.

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by 5vz-fe Maybe Nissan also need to offer these guys performance driving lessons also.

I dunno about that, but we already know the 2010 (or maybe even 2009.5 ) is getting Launch Control removed, and likely having VDC removed due to excessive warranty claims; denials, and trade ins of transmission-toasted GTR's...

[Woohoo]

So the standard GT-R is only 7 seconds slower than the fastest and most expensive Porsche currently available? The GT-R which is owned by some British dude is only 7 seconds slower than the GT2 which is a press car owned by Porsche? The car with the heated seats and sat nav is 7 seconds slower than one of the fastest road cars Porsche has ever build?

Yeah, the GT-R is a total failure.

[5vz-fe]

I don't know about total failure, but with "the most advance 4WD", "fastest shifting" double clutch transmission, "very sticky road legal tire" you can find, it still come out 7 seconds slower than the RWD Porsche in a lap that has damp places thru out.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by Woohoo So the standard GT-R is only 7 seconds slower than the fastest and most expensive Porsche currently available? The GT-R which is owned by some British dude is only 7 seconds slower than the GT2 which is a press car owned by Porsche? The car with the heated seats and sat nav is 7 seconds slower than one of the fastest road cars Porsche has ever build? Yeah, the GT-R is a total failure.

Actually it is. Nissan claim it runs rings around the GT2 and literally blows the Caarrera GT out of the water, chases down Enzos and makes Pagani Zondas look like coal delivery trucks.

The real point is Nissan lied about their cars potential instead of just launching an aweseome car and letting it stand on its own merits.

The GTR is a phenomoinal and very desirable and highly capable car in its own right, but presented in the form Nissan chose to, it is a failure.

Period

[Woohoo]

Originally Posted by 5vz-fe I don't know about total failure, but with "the most advance 4WD", "fastest shifting" double clutch transmission, "very sticky road legal tire" you can find, it still come out 7 seconds slower than the RWD Porsche in a lap that has damp places thru out.

No, AWD is not faster than RWD on slippery conditions.
No, normal tires aren't faster than semi slicks in the wet.

If you want proof, just look at the wet handling tests done by Sport Auto.
(yeah, the fastest car was a RWD with semi slicks)

But I know that you still won't believe me. So believe what you want. I really don't care.

[leblanc2.0]

Here a couple of interesting observations from Nissan's GT-R record drive, that come from a highly reliable source without any connections to/interest in Porsche. Nissan had a couple of GT-R's at the Ring that day. The car that did the record run featured: stripped out interior missing pre-cat use of 110 octane race fuel These were the changes/alterations that my friend could observe. They indicate that weight was below and power well above a standard car. Given these "improvements" it appears likely that the car also featured non-standard rubber - but this last comment is only an assumption. Porsche had Walter Rohrl checking out the GT-R and his best time was 07:45. Yesterday another former Rallye champion (who holds the fastest lap on the Ring in the wet - so no rookie either) managed to get near 07:50 in not fully ideal conditions using a stock customer car from overseas. Given these data points the 07:29 posted by Nissan were not set by a standard car. End of story. Given that Walter R managed a truly excellent 07:45 I wonder why Nissan bothered to cheat at all. It's a fantastic time well into 997TT/GT3RS territory for a fraction of the price that should really get the guys at Porsche (and potential customers) thinking. IMHO the car also has a dramatic presence in the metal and sounds great. The 07:29 from a standard GT-R, however, only people could believe who like to ignore some basic laws of physics and/or are happy to find a reason to look down on people who can afford more expensive cars than themselves.

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[HeilSvenska]

I am sick of this. Am I not allowed to be happy knowing that the new GT-Rs won't be shipped with a Launch Control?

[RC45]

With gas now at $1.57 a gallon the exact details of the GT-R's falling from grace are not really important... the falling itself is all that matters

[5vz-fe]

Originally Posted by Woohoo No, AWD is not faster than RWD on slippery conditions. No, normal tires aren't faster than semi slicks in the wet. If you want proof, just look at the wet handling tests done by Sport Auto. (yeah, the fastest car was a RWD with semi slicks) But I know that you still won't believe me. So believe what you want. I really don't care.

I thought your previous argument that GT-R is so quick in the ring is because it carried more speed in the corners.....and that's due to it's AWD. So now you are saying other wise?

I said sticky tires, I didn't say semi slicks....so read before you try to argue.

Why believe someone when that someone doesn't make sense.

If you don't care, you wouldn't bother replying.

[RC45]

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