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CSedl87 · 10-02-2004, 11:28 PM

Anyone else thinking that Mazda is about to hit the WRC? Think about it: 2.3L Turbo'd 4 (WRC spec is 2.0L, turbo, max 300hp) with 260. The 2.3T would be able to be taken down to 2.0L, and up to 300hp with ease. I dunno but it just seems like they're about to take the scooby, and mitsu on. That'd be awesome if they do....

initiala4 · 10-03-2004, 12:33 AM

The 6 might be too big or too bulky to go around those corners.....

gottacatchup · 10-03-2004, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by CSedl87

Anyone else thinking that Mazda is about to hit the WRC? Think about it: 2.3L Turbo'd 4 (WRC spec is 2.0L, turbo, max 300hp) with 260. The 2.3T would be able to be taken down to 2.0L, and up to 300hp with ease. I dunno but it just seems like they're about to take the scooby, and mitsu on. That'd be awesome if they do....

I doubt mazda could easily get 300 bhp outa their 2.0 litre. Mazda is NOT an engine company and probably makes the worst engines of any major manufacturer. Either way i doubt they'd go into WRC, the 6 is too big and heavy to really be a competitor.

CSedl87 · 10-03-2004, 01:17 AM

Doubt it.

Fleischmann · 10-03-2004, 01:25 AM

Gotta agree with you guys, the car is certainly too big to go through the twisty roads of some rallys. About the wieight...getting it down shouldn't be a problem.

AlienDB7 · 10-03-2004, 01:40 AM

Consider the mazda 3 shares same platform as focus, if mazda is going to WRC, it'll be the mazda 3 for sure. Doubt Ford will be paying the bill for another WRC team though.

frozzu · 10-03-2004, 04:27 AM

I just can't really think of mazda in the WRC. I can't get the picture :roll:

evoWalo · 10-03-2004, 04:41 AM

They could always put a Wankel Rotary Combustion Engine into the 3.

sergei_dekker85 · 10-03-2004, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by evoWALO

They could always put a Wankel Rotary Combustion Engine into the 3.

yeah and make it even more unreliable.....mazda 6 sucks IMO...no offense...enter WRC with it? its just like asking toyota to enter it with their aletzza or IS200...WAY too bulky.....would like to see the mini back though....

evoWalo · 10-03-2004, 08:42 AM

Unreliable? Mazda won the 1991 Le Mans race using a Wankel Rotary Combustion Engine They're the only team from outside Western Europe or the US ever to win.

CSedl87 · 10-03-2004, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by sergei_dekker85

Originally Posted by evoWALO

They could always put a Wankel Rotary Combustion Engine into the 3.

yeah and make it even more unreliable.....mazda 6 sucks IMO...no offense...enter WRC with it? its just like asking toyota to enter it with their aletzza or IS200...WAY too bulky.....would like to see the mini back though....

I have one (willing to put pics up if you want me to), and it is far from 'sucking.' It can easily hold it's own against alot of cars. As for the weight, weight can be shed. As for them 'not being an engine company,' I beg to differ. The only publicity that Mazda is getting right now is through some SCCA races, and the Mazda racing series, and Mazda really needs to get it's name out there. Since the Ford Focus is already established in Europe it really wouldn't surprise me if they pull out in a year or so. As for them not paying for another WRC team, they're pulling out of F1, there's $400 mil a year right there that they can put to other racing adventures. I expect to see a Mazda 6 or 3 pretty soon in WRC guise.

oldsnail · 10-03-2004, 03:11 PM

mazda was in the rally in the early days.. with the mazda 323 gtx awd turbo .. that was also a rare car to find..

graywolf624 · 10-03-2004, 03:18 PM

yeah and make it even more unreliable.....mazda 6 sucks IMO...no offense...enter WRC with it? its just like asking toyota to enter it with their aletzza or IS200...WAY too bulky.....would like to see the mini back though....

ummm..While admitedly the rotaries dont last longer then about 70000 miles in street form (without repairs), they have more then proven themselves in 24 hrs at lemans. The 6 actually could lose alot of the weight.. My only question would be.. is it too wide? I dont have that answer.

The only publicity that Mazda is getting right now is through some SCCA races, and the Mazda racing series, and Mazda really needs to get it's name out there.

Ya forgot formula mazda

gottacatchup · 10-03-2004, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by CSedl87

As for them 'not being an engine company,' I beg to differ. The only publicity that Mazda is getting right now is through some SCCA races, and the Mazda racing series, and Mazda really needs to get it's name out there. Since the Ford Focus is already established in Europe it really wouldn't surprise me if they pull out in a year or so. As for them not paying for another WRC team, they're pulling out of F1, there's $400 mil a year right there that they can put to other racing adventures. I expect to see a Mazda 6 or 3 pretty soon in WRC guise.

You can differ all you want, the fact is that the engine mazda uses in the SCCA races has to be rebuilt every few races while the other competitors run the same engines for almost the entire season. Mazda has done amazing things with the rotary but their standard piston engines are way behind any other company's.

graywolf624 · 10-03-2004, 06:02 PM

You can differ all you want, the fact is that the engine mazda uses in the SCCA races has to be rebuilt every few races while the other competitors run the same engines for almost the entire season. Mazda has done amazing things with the rotary but their standard piston engines are way behind any other company's.

Hmmm..
See I see an issue here. the mazda 6 has 2 engines.
The 2.3liter
and the 3.0 liter duratech out of the contour/taurus (with a different top end).
The second one I think blows that arguement out of the water. Consider where else the duratech engine sits in 6 liter v12 form..
*whispers* Aston martin

The 2.3 liter is so new, no one knows about its reliability. This is the one theyve chosen for the mazdaspeed version.