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Global Warming · 06-07-2005, 12:58 AM

I have to say the 6.0L/400HP GTO, at its price, just dominates the car world. This car’s MSRP loaded is just under $33k! Not only does that price get you more power than anyone off a track could ever possible use but the engine is all-aluminum and the interior is nicer than you would expect. I test drove one for a few mins and I have to say the power is just crazy! It’s actually scary to put your foot down!! This car gives you more of what everyone has always dreamed about in a car than anyone would have ever thought possible for the price!

Let me tell you I am not biased towards any brand or country. I respect everything from Kias to Koenigseggs… But this Holden/Vauxhall/Pontiac deserves museum status for what it is!!

gigdy · 06-07-2005, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Global Hemisphere

But this Holden/Vauxhall/Pontiac deserves museum status for what it is!!

no it doesnt.

GTO · 06-07-2005, 01:24 AM

I did bag this car out in a thread but I still think its great compared to whats out there on the Market. Holden definatly did well with the Monaro, its still a cool car.

As for a bench mark?......no

M3 is a benchmark everyday supercar, Louts elise benchmark for handling and the WRX benchmark for performance, drivablity at family car prices.

However benchmark Muscle car....acutally yeah the GTO, over the Vette, even though the Vette is an icon.

sads · 06-07-2005, 01:25 AM

Theres just two types of thought when the word Monaro/GTO is mentioned Love it/Hate it.
I love it I think its one of the great bang for your bucks cars around. Just look at the stats anything with that sort of performance usualy costs a hell of a lot more then a Monaro would set you back.

RC45 · 06-07-2005, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by GTO

However benchmark Muscle car....acutally yeah the GTO, over the Vette, even though the Vette is an icon.

How do you figure the Goat over the Vette?

It's heavier, slower and uglier?

You really meant to say "different car for different reason"..

Global Warming · 06-07-2005, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by GTO

I did bag this car out in a thread but I still think its great compared to whats out there on the Market. Holden definatly did well with the Monaro, its still a cool car.

As for a bench mark?......no

M3 is a benchmark everyday supercar, Louts elise benchmark for handling and the WRX benchmark for performance, drivablity at family car prices.

However benchmark Muscle car....acutally yeah the GTO, over the Vette, even though the Vette is an icon.

The over priced under powered M3 gets a different category than the GTO? Why? They both have 2 doors and a back seat and are RWD...

It’s just one cost a lot less and will blow the doors of the other, either in a straight line or around a track....

Yeah better let the M3 keep that seperate category....

zondaland · 06-07-2005, 01:53 AM

Sorry Global Hemisphere but the M3 is certainly not going to get its doors blown off by a Monaro. Yes the Monaro is good value for money but it is not that good that it can be compared to an M3. Besides in Australia anybody wanting that kind of car has choice, I recommend you head down to your local Ford dealership and ask them why they don't import Australian performance Ford's that compete with and in many ways blow the socks off the likes of the Monaro.

Global Warming · 06-07-2005, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by RC45

Originally Posted by GTO

However benchmark Muscle car....acutally yeah the GTO, over the Vette, even though the Vette is an icon.

How do you figure the Goat over the Vette?

It's heavier, slower and uglier?

You really meant to say "different car for different reason"..

Well let’s see…

The corvette weighs 3,179lbs. and has a 400-hp LS2 6.0L all-aluminum V8 engine.

The GTO weighs 3,725lbs. and has a 400-hp LS2 6.0L all-aluminum V8 engine.

But the vette is $44, 400 and the GTO is $32,500 that’s a difference of $11,900 for 546Lbs.

Global Warming · 06-07-2005, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by zondaland

Sorry Global Hemisphere but the M3 is certainly not going to get its doors blown off by a Monaro. Yes the Monaro is good value for money but it is not that good that it can be compared to an M3. Besides in Australia anybody wanting that kind of car has choice, I recommend you head down to your local Ford dealership and ask them why they don't import Australian performance Ford's that compete with and in many ways blow the socks off the likes of the Monaro.

Well we can add the M3 to my last post...

M3 - 3415 lbs - 333HP - $47,300. It is not much lighter than the GTO, has a lot less power and cost $14k more. Anyone one here can see the difference. Any yes I'm sure the stig would be able to get the GTO around the TG track a lot faster than the M3.

RC45 · 06-07-2005, 02:04 AM

^^ OK - this is officially the dumbest "value" reason I have ever heard...

Price per weight? WTF? :roll: You do realize it is better to be lighter... right?

And the Vette will run circles around the GTO in every category - including fuel consumption..

Besides the fact that a wore out used up 2001 Z06 would cost $33K and still blow the GTO back to Oz..

zondaland · 06-07-2005, 02:08 AM

The Monaro is not all that sophisticated a car. You will find that through the corners an M3 or a Vette will blow it into the weeds due to chassis and suspension tuning. Also it has extremely long gearing. As such its acceleration figures aren't traditionally all that great. Besides which its gearbox is an absolute pile of agricultural rust.

Global Warming · 06-07-2005, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by RC45

^^ OK - this is officially the dumbest "value" reason I have ever heard...

Price per weight? WTF? :roll: You do realize it is better to be lighter... right?

And the Vette will run circles around the GTO in every category - including fuel consumption..

Besides the fact that a wore out used up 2001 Z06 would cost $33K and still blow the GTO back to Oz..

Didnt I just say that? Yes the Vette will be a lot faster. It will be 546Lbs faster. Of course the vette is fater, I never said it wasnt. I just pointed out that the vette's faster speed and lighter weight come at a cost of $11,900.

On the other hand the M3 will be slower than the GTO at a cost of $14,800!

Global Warming · 06-07-2005, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by zondaland

The Monaro is not all that sophisticated a car. You will find that through the corners an M3 or a Vette will blow it into the weeds due to chassis and suspension tuning. Also it has extremely long gearing. As such its acceleration figures aren't traditionally all that great. Besides which its gearbox is an absolute pile of agricultural rust.

If you compare any track time, yes a track with multiple corners, better handling only helps the car out so much. Like on Top Gear and 5th Gear it becomes apparent that raw power to weight ratio still will win out all most all the time.

On Top GearThe 5.7 GTO beat the M3 and they have not even tested the 6.0 version yet.

zondaland · 06-07-2005, 02:28 AM

The top gear track times can be farily deceptive. For example the Monaro (old version, not sure about new) used its tyres very, very badly (at least in the Australian setup). Reports were that even half an hour of hard driving could kill the tyres. Setting up a car to do something like that can give you a fast lap time, but it doesn't really indicate a cars pace, let alone what it does for the price equation of the car. The other problem with Top gear lap times is the variables in conditions on the day. There could easily be a full seconds difference depending on the day.

Global Warming · 06-07-2005, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by zondaland

The top gear track times can be farily deceptive. For example the Monaro (old version, not sure about new) used its tyres very, very badly (at least in the Australian setup). Reports were that even half an hour of hard driving could kill the tyres. Setting up a car to do something like that can give you a fast lap time, but it doesn't really indicate a cars pace, let alone what it does for the price equation of the car. The other problem with Top gear lap times is the variables in conditions on the day. There could easily be a full seconds difference depending on the day.

Dude, give up.

There is more than a 14,000 dollar difference in the two cars and your only argument is the GTO burns more rubber?!?! LOL I sure as hell would hope so!! And it would still beat the M3 in everything bald tires or not! lol For $14k I think anyone could change GTO tires monthly!